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yay for ship spining

oh dam it wont work my ship wont spin oh well at least i got the old hanger view bk

ps bump bk to top

I'm kind of curious about how much information you're transmitting to the client to begin with.

Really you should only be sending enough information to fill out the list of fittings, not all of the fittings to start off with. When someone picks a fitting to look at, then transmit the entire fitting for just that one ship and store it to the cache. You won't really have to worry about the traffic at that point. 32 bytes plus maybe 4 bytes for the ID of the fitting should be sufficient and not cause any network traffic issues. Only retrieve the list once per session or expiry period (maybe 24 hours), cache it (and cache the changes that occur during the session/expiry period).

A properly indexed and partitioned table(s) should handle a few million records fairly easily without much of a delay retrieving bits of the data for a single player. You probably would want to store the list of fittings in one table and the actual detail to the fittings elsewhere since the list will get refreshed by the client more often than the actual fittings themselves.

All that extra stuff with skills you mentioned should only be done upon viewing a fitting, results cached. The cache for that information should be invalidated when skills complete training or clones are changed.

Just my 2 cents, all just speculation on how you might want to consider doing it...I have no real knowledge about how things are structured on the backend, so I could be completely wrong on how you would want to deal with your above mentioned concerns.

IF they introduced a Free-to-play option aimed at new players* certainly they should leave out things like the ablityt to save fittings from the free verions (the current F2P option of using plex is not really doable for any but mega power gamer types---scamming, trading, or belining to lvl 4s and playing huge boring hours to "earn" the right to play)

BUT, the Fittings limits without isk/aurum was by far one of the most off-putting parts of the Fearless "devils advocate" presentation by the senior developer.

with hardly any qualification, he raised the notion that game convenience should be withheld as a means for inducing incrementally more convenience in scale with how much aurum paid, with the decision of whether limmting such convenience to those who pay isk instead would have been the choice in the absence of the revenue model.

The notion of Free vs Premium, and having a a package of convenience features for a flat premium fee is well tested and works in many games. The game is mostly designed with the premium in mind..

An ala carte option with the more people pay, the smoother game play is from them, and a purposeful witholding of levels of convenience from "premium players" begins to warp the very premise that their goal is to provide the most entertaining game they can with resources available to them. It sets up an uncessary and ingrained conflict of interest that creates a question before releasing any improvment "can we tier this improvement in a way to charge for it?"

Those sort of motivations create an entirely different view of customers and game design of such a clearly insidous level that they shouldn't have even been raised in a devils advocate piece looking for ways to maximize free to play revenue....or at least they didn't need to be because playing devils advocate means making the most rational argument, not making extreme and facetious proposals.

I've been playing nearly 4 years and I've only just noticed the description box... Is that bad?

+1

I'd even be happy to pay AUR for unlimited fittings. I happen to have 3500 AUR in my wallet that I can't find anything imaginative or interesting enough to pay for in the NeX store, so ...

The real Irony is that they're worried about space and network traffic...


but apparently not even 70% get anywhere near the max fitting limit - but the rest of us have to suffer with less fitting space... uhm... clearly the other 70% isn't going to start mysteriously filling up the OTHER 90 fitting slits that they don't use if you raise it to 100. So there is no issue because the system isn't being saturated.

Yes, unlimited local fittings please. It's possible to fill nearly 1/4th of that list with multiple variations of a single PVE battleship between all the different hardener and drone combinations. I used to use the fitting manager pretty extensively before, but haven't really found it very useful since the limit seeing as that I can use nearly every subcap in the game and don't pick the FoTMs exclusively...

Moving the settings between multiple machines really isn't that hard when you email them to yourself or copy them to a memory stick. And it's not like the EVE settings folder is in an abysmally obscure location like it was 2 or 3 years ago.

More please!