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I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#21 - 2011-10-22 11:45:42 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... Evil

CCP have admitted they were at fault. Read Hilmars apology - or do you think that was written for just 20 people?
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-10-22 11:54:04 UTC
Oriaita Lee wrote:
"Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner.



if u want to play with virtual dolls i suggest you try Barbie Online

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#23 - 2011-10-22 11:59:32 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... Evil


20 people? guess it was just only my entire corp/alliance who wanted FIS and not dress up barbie in stations.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-22 12:00:56 UTC
Oriaita Lee wrote:
"Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner.


In this case, it is Carbon that was needed. And funnily enough now that its in place, WiS has been started

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David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-22 12:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
WoD's development will be accellerated again AFTER dust 514 has been released and CCP can divert a substantial portion of the dust 514 dev team to WoD to complete WoD while still maintain a smaller crew of devs for Dust 514 bug fixes and expansions.

once Dust 514 is launched CCP will have two revenue streams coming in so they can afford to hire more Devs to get WoD finished and making money.

CCP wont scrap WoD cos they have already poured millions into its development and also the takeover of white wolf. CCP & Investors will want to make that money back and with profit preferably, but to sacrifice Eve Online (the only money making game they have currently) to bring out two new titles was just plain suicide for a business.

One had to be temporarily shelved... As dust 514 is much much closer to completion it made sense to shelf WoD until Dust 514 is released.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#26 - 2011-10-22 12:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Caulk H0lster
It's cool and all that you wanna play space barbies. However, while you were gettin your dress-up-doll-action on, DROVES of old players were unsubscribing because there are so many problems with PvP, from sov mechanics, to balancing, to faction war, to WELL SO MUCH STUFF, and CCP was neglecting EVERYTHING gameplay related to devote their efforts into designing your space barbies.

Problem is, CCP sorta needs those older players with their multiple accounts to stay active, or they suddenly lose huge amounts of income. Not to mention that the longer CCP continued to ignore focusing on GAMEPLAY, the faster people were running for the door.

EVE is, was and always will be, a SPACESHIP game. You fly spaceships and blow stuff up. You fly spaceships to trade goods. You fly spaceships to do WHATEVER. If you're sitting in a station more than you're flying your spaceships YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG.

For more rewarding space-barbies action, I would suggest Star Trek Online. Some of those uniforms look very dashing.

And, just in case anyone missed the point: Just because you're loudest on the forums (ahem), does not make you the "majority". Most of the BITTERVETS wouldn't bother posting on the forums because 1. it's pretty useless to try to get CCP to change anything they have their heart set on, and 2. there are far more entertaining places to poast.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-22 12:26:04 UTC
Caulk H0lster wrote:


And, just in case anyone missed the point: Just because you're loudest on the forums (ahem), does not make you the "majority". Most of the BITTERVETS wouldn't bother posting on the forums because 1. it's pretty useless to try to get CCP to change anything they have their heart set on, and 2. there are far more entertaining places to poast.


i dunno about that.... shooting Jita monument and unsubbing seemed to work.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#28 - 2011-10-22 12:28:08 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Caulk H0lster wrote:


And, just in case anyone missed the point: Just because you're loudest on the forums (ahem), does not make you the "majority". Most of the BITTERVETS wouldn't bother posting on the forums because 1. it's pretty useless to try to get CCP to change anything they have their heart set on, and 2. there are far more entertaining places to poast.


i dunno about that.... shooting Jita monument and unsubbing seemed to work.


It's the unsubbing part that works.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#29 - 2011-10-22 12:30:19 UTC
Oh yeah sure that was it. That's the thing that solved all our problems.
But after I shoot the statue and unsub what am I going to do after that? Glue wings on to my car and start driving it around looking for a gate to jump through?
Ramma Lamma DingDong
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-10-22 12:30:44 UTC
One can only hope that CCP will figure out that it is the well established, wealthy, jaded, never happy with anything veterans that are killing the game before they are allowed to devour it completely.

Seriously, just try being a new player who has never heard anything about this game. It's not friendly at all. It's the opposite of the definition of gaming which is supposed to be...fun.

What makes it so hard to get and retain new players? Other players.

What happens every time they try and introduce new features to make the game more "newbie friendly?" Massive QQ and tantrums from, you guessed it, other players.

The CSM is a joke who's loudest voice is from one of the biggest griefing guilds known in the mmo genre and they pride themselves on this. They actually base game design decisions on the opinions of these malcontents and ignore completely, the source.

This is one worth watching in the future too folks. Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success.

So keep allowing them to control the game CCP and keep watching as little by little, the corpse becomes fully devoured.

Meanwhile, changes that should have been implemented years ago to bring in newer, less experienced players and to provide them with a game world that actually retains them for more than the trial are going to the "back burner." Old players are leaving and no new ones are replacing them.

"OMG fix Nullsec, fix Lowsec, make people come out and pee vee pee, there's nobody out here."

Got news for you guys, you ran all of them away. They won't be coming back.
Neve Talie-Ko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-22 12:31:22 UTC
Two observations from a new player/subscriber.

1. Although I have tried the free trial every year for the last five years or so, this is the first time I've put the money on the barrelhead. I've always liked the idea of Eve because I'm an old Traveller buff, but the previous abstact-ness of your character was a put-off. The Incarna character was the difference this time.

2. This is actually far enough for me. I'm not enamored enough of the other people in the game to wish for any further player interaction. I kinda like my CQ to feel lonely and isolated, but that's me.
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-10-22 12:42:20 UTC
Oriaita Lee wrote:
Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS.

I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie that they promised was initially going to be released in 2008. I was playing the game back then but I deactivated my account after the date for Walking In Stations kept getting pushed back and back, thinking to myself "Typical CCP taking forever to do anything - I'll cancel now and sign up again when they show me that they're actually making real progress on this".

I rejoined recently when I heard that Incarna would be out soon. Great, I thought - finally. When they said they'd make the avatar clothes a microtransaction, I was concerned, because I knew it meant no more free clothes in the character customiser and if there's one thing that customiser BADLY needs it's more, better clothes than the ugly 1970s monstrosities in there now, but I figured, "hey microtransactions are the way things are going these days, and most are usually only a dollar or so per item maximum" so I figured it'd be okay. Then when they priced the NEX store ludicrously high (lets face it, the monocle isn't the problem, even the very cheapest items are way overpriced when you look at their cost ratio compared to the price of ships) my heart sunk. 1000 Aur for the cheapest stuff? Try 50 Aurum, guys - look around you at the market (and also look at the EVE market where boots are selling for less than 10 million ISK, a small fraction of their Aurum cost). I knew CCP simply didn't have the experience in this kind of market to get this part right. Still, I had my CQ and they were going to expand it soon so I could meet other avatars, right? Right?

Now I read that they're "refocusing" on spaceships and laying off 20% of their staff. I don't see how a mass layoff is going to help them produce anything quicker, but more importantly (for me) it seems that they've given up producing anything outside of the Captains Quarters for now. I can see the technical problems of having multiple avatars in the same space chewing up CPU, but damn, I don't care if they dumb the graphics down to get the result - if it looks like Privateer or Wing Commander, or even Minecraft or Nethack, FINE - but I want to be able to meet other avatars. Preferably wearing some cool stuff without paying through the nose for the privilege.

I don't care about ship spinning (my CQ runs fine, graphics card sweats a bit but for me it's worth it), new ships (can barely fly any of the current ones), new features, etc. Bug-fixing is nice, definitely do that - maybe consider a "code freeze" like what Minecraft did recently, and play-balancing is good, especially looking forward to hybrid balancing and not getting a Nyx dropped on me every 2 jumps, but If CCP wanted to make me really happy, they could:

* Top priority - some way for avatars to meet, ASAP. Otherwise, all your other Incarna stuff is pointless and will continue to look pointless and embarrassing until you do this. Establishments would be great, but if they must, they can wait - even if it's just one-on-one meetings for now, to save CPU, I'd settle for that. You should be able to at the very least invite one other person into your Captains' Quarters. Don't tell me that would be impossible to code, if it weren't for the EULA a bored fan could probably knock up something like that in a week.

* Ditch the NEX store and add the clothes to the character creator, or just let users design their own clothes (we've all seen how quickly mod communities work), or if you MUST charge for the clothes, drop prices by at LEAST a factor of 15-25 and for chrissake design some better ones, that might reflect what people may wish their avatars to actually wear. If you're stuck for ideas look at what Facebook games are doing with their wardrobes. Think simple, high quantity and cheap.

If I got even some of that wishlist, I'd be thrilled and I'd start subscribing 12 months in advance - and probably even donating a little bit of extra money whenever I could just to help CCP re-employ some of those poor lost staff. CCP, you've talked to the endless whiners who hate Incarna and want their spaceship game back, now please talk to me. Cheers.


Go back to WoW or The Sim3.
steejans nix
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-10-22 12:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: steejans nix
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I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?



Think the masses unsubbing because of it trumps the 3 people resubbing because of it.

Edit to add I thank CCP for returning my chance to spin my ship in dock.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#34 - 2011-10-22 12:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
This is a troll right!?!?! I mean, they cant be people out there that care this much for barbies online...

Personally, if you want barbies online, go play 2nd life until CCP can fix the gaping chest wounds in FiS and balance out dev resources between WiS and FiS.

I think we can all agree that some major work needs to be done to the game on the FiS part so the game can be fair and playable for everyone.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the POS rework and the redesign of the Corp management UI. Both of those plague me daily.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#35 - 2011-10-22 13:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
I re-subscribed 3 accounts in May before Incarna because I expected there will be WiS during 1-3 months. When I've seen insane NeX prices and realized it's all about single jail cell aka "captain quarters" - I unsubscribed.

For me it doesn't matter if CCP introduce +4 ships to 150+ already available, it doesn't matter for me (high-sec/C1-C4 WH carebear) if they re-balance supercaps, it doesn't matter for me if they re-balance hybrids (as Gallente I was forced to learn Caldari missles and happy with them), and faction warfare also doesn't matter anything because I'm not a big fan of chaos/blob PvP - the matter is there is no new content planned in EVE for at least 8+ months.

And WiS implemented during winter could solve that - so I could subscribe with few accounts for at least 2-4 months. CCP continues to dig its own grave by making one strategic f*k up right after another. Well, good luck!
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#36 - 2011-10-22 13:13:52 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... Evil


If there are only twenty people then kindly list them all. All twenty of them.

You will find that you are missing a few thousand.

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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
#37 - 2011-10-22 13:15:52 UTC
Well.. CCP kind of hoped that millions of wannabe Eve players hidden out on internet would come rushing when they got an avatar to stare at. They also most likely figured that some old players would leave but it would be a sacrifice worth making for all those millions of players waiting out there to sub up and buy NeX stuff. This hopeful view of the future wasn't really connected to reality.

It is good that Eve got some new players (or old players rejoining) because of Incarna, but the truth is that far more left Eve because the game is broken and has been left broken for years. The focus has not been to fix the problems or give us more things to do. I have yet to see a plan for what we are expected to do in Incarna when we get establishments (except roleplaying and staring at and showing off NeX items).

I believe this new direction will be good for Eve and I hope they actually will give some thought about what kind of game-play establishments will give the players before they work on it again.
Toros Revoke
#38 - 2011-10-22 13:57:14 UTC
I liked the idea of incarna so long as it remained as advertised, that being that once docked I could leave my ship and wander about and meet other avatars if I chose to, thats not what we got and the thing didn't even have emotes, it couldn't do anything it just sat looking bored and sad on a couch in a cell while ccp told us all how lucky we were.
Once incarna is 'Finished' I would like to take part in it, I think it would add a cool new element to the game, I am a bit concerned how my machine, which is not ancient and useless, will cope with rendering not only my avatar and its prison cell, but a whole station environment and it inhabitants, I think it might need addressing.. Just my opinion take it or leave it.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-22 14:14:08 UTC
non judgement wrote:
Oh yeah sure that was it. That's the thing that solved all our problems.
But after I shoot the statue and unsub what am I going to do after that? Glue wings on to my car and start driving it around looking for a gate to jump through?


nah but glueing wings to a horse and jumping through gates might be more viable

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-10-22 14:19:19 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things...
1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping
2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty
3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all...
4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that...
5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...

This post says it all.
It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned.
The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it.
They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS.
It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run.