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Highsec "Carebear" representation from the CSM?

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#121 - 2012-12-08 04:43:21 UTC
Harland White wrote:
The CSM is composed 100% of nullsec zealots, griefers and pirates. Any/all ideas proposed by CSM generally are anti-highsec. Highseccers are kinda ****ed.

But it's not a problem to me. If I'm eventually forced to a different style of gameplay in order to earn my PLEX/isk each month, there's a nice big juicy "unsubscribe" button waiting for me. And I'll keep my stuff in case CCP has a change of heart about their current goals regarding nerfing highsec.


^^

See what I mean?
Frying Doom
#122 - 2012-12-08 04:47:45 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Harland White wrote:
The CSM is composed 100% of nullsec zealots, griefers and pirates. Any/all ideas proposed by CSM generally are anti-highsec. Highseccers are kinda ****ed.

But it's not a problem to me. If I'm eventually forced to a different style of gameplay in order to earn my PLEX/isk each month, there's a nice big juicy "unsubscribe" button waiting for me. And I'll keep my stuff in case CCP has a change of heart about their current goals regarding nerfing highsec.


^^

See what I mean?

Can you blame people for thinking this look at CSM 6 and at the last publication from the Null sec lobby group, err sorry I mean CSM 7. It is just screw hi-sec and give it all to Null.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
None ofthe Above
#123 - 2012-12-08 05:32:56 UTC
Well this thread is going places.

To the OP, on the off chance you are still reading this:

Don't depend on the CSM, they are only one of the elements that influence development.

Develop your own voice and work with people that agree with you to lobby and argue your case to the CSM and CCP.

Best of luck to you.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#124 - 2012-12-08 05:42:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Hate 101 wrote:
well unsub for like 6 months then it get fixed pvp players talk a big game with out the pve players is no game

you serfs will always be around, if there are less of you we'll simply whip you harder

Tell me more about your ~motivational~ techniques.


The beatings will continue until posting improves.

.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-12-08 06:14:32 UTC
Nerfing hisec missions just means nullbears will get less ISK for anything they sell. You will feel the same tightening of the purse strings hisec feels.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-12-08 06:16:23 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Nerfing hisec missions just means nullbears will get less ISK for anything they sell. You will feel the same tightening of the purse strings hisec feels.


This wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#127 - 2012-12-08 23:31:31 UTC
Rhaetic wrote:
Chalk it up to me being a recently-returned player who was only around for about a year before, but I don't understand the problem here.

There is no reason why there can't be nice things to do across the entire spectrum of security levels.

In fact, you would think that there would be specific reasons to go to various places. As an example, right now there is little reason to go to Low Sec space because you don't have the safety of High Sec or the profit margin of Null Sec.

Incursions are an example of the kinds of things that work well in High Sec without really taking anything away from Null Sec players. It's not like something was taken away from Null Sec players for this to happen.

You also have players (like me) who enjoy many aspects of the game across the security spectrum, and I bet that there are other people like me as well.

This doesn't have to be an "Us vs. Them" argument.

Look man, we'll forgive you because you're new, but you just don't get it. The carebear vs. PVPer debate/feud is a long , strong, and fairly hysterical tradition. Don't come in here spouting a bunch of rational and reasonable stuff. Blink
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#128 - 2012-12-10 16:49:34 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
I've been contacted a couple times in the past by random people suggesting i run for CSM as a hisec representative, when i used to be even more outspoken about hisec issues.

It's just not very appealing to me. Mainly because having my RL identity anywhere online is something i've been avoiding for years now, and it's not a cause i feel like devoting any more energy to aside from the occasional forum post.

I would happily vote for anyone who does represent hisec, or really anywhere except 0.0, though.

I really can't imagine why anyone would want their RL identity exposed to the whole EVE community. Lots of clever and devious minds in this game. Not to mention the amount of people with the griefing/lulzing mentality.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#129 - 2012-12-10 16:54:08 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
One last thing.

To give you an idea of Ank's true level of carebearism, I'll include a few of her EvE-O forum quotes below. Even after all of this, she still won a seat on the CSM.

Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused.


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters...


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need.


Ankhesentapemkah wrote:

I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists.


If I ever wrote a book called "The psycology of the "Bear: why normal people hate them" I'd use every, single quote of every single thing this woman has said lol. But especially the part I bolded.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#130 - 2012-12-10 16:56:57 UTC
As for the main question of the thread. We've been over this over and over again. if high sec people can't be bothered to click a freaking button once a year (or every 6 months or whatever), they don't deserve "representation". if they can't bother to organize politically, that's their problem, not the game's the community's or CCPs.
Mr Pragmatic
#131 - 2012-12-10 17:18:33 UTC
If you are looking for someone who can represent the High Security Citizens of Eve, I implore you to vote for me in the CSM.

In my years of Eve I noticed a great power vacuum that needs to be filled. I will take it upon my self to represent you.

I wont let the zealots push you around no longer. You can take refuge in my great leadership and not worry, and never shed a

tear again. The only tears you will shed is from the joy of me crushing the other CSMs that try to bully you.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-12-10 17:24:19 UTC
Doddy wrote:

To be fair i think you will find the changing of the npc AI is the first step in revamping PvE content


I think it was designed to stop people from running null anoms in carriers to cut down the ISK flow into game, and is not part of a major PVE rework.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2012-12-10 17:31:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
As for the main question of the thread. We've been over this over and over again. if high sec people can't be bothered to click a freaking button once a year (or every 6 months or whatever), they don't deserve "representation". if they can't bother to organize politically, that's their problem, not the game's the community's or CCPs.



As a high sec carebear myself, I think the issue is that we tend to be more casual in our play style. I want to log in, run a few missions or mine some rocks, then log out.

I do not want to sit around for hours waiting for a pvp fleet to form up, then spend hours roaming around not finding targets. I do not want to sit on the titan waiting to see if we have the numbers to fight. I do not want to go on a POS bash to take down a cyno jammer, so we can take over a system, so big bosses can mine moons that I won't see any of the ISK from, other than paying the sov bill for my upgrade anoms, that I can only run when there are no non-blue in system...

As a result of this more causal play style, I can't be bothered to run for CSM, nor bothered to even read about who is running, and I'm sure as heck not going to be able to be told for whom to vote for by my alliance leadership... that doesn't even exist.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#134 - 2012-12-10 18:02:13 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
As for the main question of the thread. We've been over this over and over again. if high sec people can't be bothered to click a freaking button once a year (or every 6 months or whatever), they don't deserve "representation". if they can't bother to organize politically, that's their problem, not the game's the community's or CCPs.



As a high sec carebear myself, I think the issue is that we tend to be more casual in our play style. I want to log in, run a few missions or mine some rocks, then log out.

I do not want to sit around for hours waiting for a pvp fleet to form up, then spend hours roaming around not finding targets. I do not want to sit on the titan waiting to see if we have the numbers to fight. I do not want to go on a POS bash to take down a cyno jammer, so we can take over a system, so big bosses can mine moons that I won't see any of the ISK from, other than paying the sov bill for my upgrade anoms, that I can only run when there are no non-blue in system...

As a result of this more causal play style, I can't be bothered to run for CSM, nor bothered to even read about who is running, and I'm sure as heck not going to be able to be told for whom to vote for by my alliance leadership... that doesn't even exist.



And that's the choice you make(although why you would mention all that stuff about not wanting to do null sec things, which is not at issue here). so long as you are not complaining about CSM Representation for high Sec, it's all good.

What I'm talking about is the people who DO complain about it, but then don't try to organize anything. The people who feel entitled to representation on a body they didn't vote for just because they paid a subscription fee. Well, the voters paid the same subscription fee, why should non-voters be equally represented in the CSM.

Everyone with an account can vote, if you choose not to (and others like you choose not to), the consequences of that choice is no representation for people like you, which again is fine as long as that's what you want.
Phoenix Bibbs
Imperium Cartel.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#135 - 2012-12-10 18:54:35 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I nominate James 315. Who better to represent the carebears than the Savior of Highsec?



Heartily seconded! James 315 would be an amazing CSM!


I would like to add my vote in as well on this. James 315 for CSM!!!
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#136 - 2012-12-10 19:46:38 UTC
Folks,

You elected a high sec representative to the CSM 7 so not sure what else you are looking for. And I would argue high sec folks got some great changes already, mining barges, crime watch and ship balancing all come to mind.

"ring mining"

Issler
Mr Pragmatic
#137 - 2012-12-10 20:43:56 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Folks,

You elected a high sec representative to the CSM 7 so not sure what else you are looking for. And I would argue high sec folks got some great changes already, mining barges, crime watch and ship balancing all come to mind.

"ring mining"

Issler



First of all James is a fraud.

Second of all, I been playing for a while I don't even know who the High Sec CSM is. Very poor representation if you ask me.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#138 - 2012-12-10 20:48:35 UTC
Go have a read in Jita Speakers Corners.
Have a look at my thread.

Have a read about what a certain CSM member supposedly representing high sec states, then read what I posted back with.

That should answer any questions you might have about high sec representation.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-12-10 20:57:01 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
IIshira wrote:
level 5 missions back in highsec and make them require a fleet to do efficiently


You are talking about incursions, try em.

P.S. I don't get it - why hi-seccers decided CSM should have their representative? CSM is null/PvP/alliances/sovereignty meta-game to make people there less unhappy / bored / etc. It's another type of show like alliance tournament a.k.a. vanity fair. Hi-sec doesn't have any participants and need for the fair.

It's exactly this kind of comment that makes me glad you guys are on the forums crying about CSM representation.

The last thing I want is someone with that sort of mentality sitting in the same room with CCP.

A vast number of you seem to have zero concept of moderate thinking.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-12-10 20:58:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Go have a read in Jita Speakers Corners.
Have a look at my thread.

Have a read about what a certain CSM member supposedly representing high sec states, then read what I posted back with.

That should answer any questions you might have about high sec representation.

How about link the thread.