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The real issues with drones isn't just about PvE.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2012-12-07 19:14:12 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
C.C.P. approaches drone fixes as a politician will approach clean coal. It's a hot button issue that scores them points when they talk about it at Fan Fest, but nothing really gets done. They've given out drone damage amplifiers but those really feel like a token drake module. Didn't C.C.P. promise removing the drone management window entirely in favor of something that goes on the same buttons as your guns/points/dc2?

They didn't really promise anything (they never do) and the image they showed was a mock-up. That is, just an artificially assembled image, not even a prototype. The way I see it, the approach to drone issues in EVE is as follows:

Drone users: Fix drones!
Non-drone users: Drones are fine! L2P!
CCP: There's drones in EVE?!

They changed the sounds, and there's sounds in EVE?

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-12-07 19:24:54 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Grath, you must be trolling. There's no situation that a Valkrye or Warrior wouldn't put an Amarr drone to shame. I don't know very many people who focus on explosive damage as their primary tank. Not to mention how many hulls are weak to it.


Whats the most common ratter ship type up north?

When its invulns are off whats it weakest to damage wise?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#23 - 2012-12-07 19:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Acac Sunflyier
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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#24 - 2012-12-07 19:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Drone revamp:

Make drones into a point defense system, they essentially fly around in circles around the parent ship in a tight orbit. They never leave this orbit and fire from this position. Their engagement range will be made to match that of the old drone control range, much like sentries, but their tracking will reflect the old versions. The actual optimal will be effected by the drone navigation skill which will be renamed and respeced to work for these essentially stationary units.

Sentries will remain completely stationary and will be largely unchanged.

Signature radii are greatly reduced, with light drones being about the size of pods and ogres not being much larger than a small frigate (like a condor). To go with this all of their EHPs are greatly reduced as well. This way it'll be harder to hit one but if you do they'll likely insta pop.

Who else wants to be flying their own puppeteer? :D

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Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-08 03:08:38 UTC
UI, and not just the drone UI, was always my biggest turn offs in EvE. Now after a whole decade they decided to update targeting UI, which does look better, but far from perfect.

Drone UI itself is just an abomination. Can one even call it an interface? Let's see...

Groups of drones can be controlled with just attack/orbit/recall shortcuts.. Then the player has to put drop downs in good use - manually expanding/collapsing the groups so to see the health bars. Then one would have to use selected item menu for any particular drone to actually target it if the drone needs repairs or has to be individually recalled/whatever else. In case of repairs, one has to actually target your own drones and for whatever reason it takes longer than rats, lol.


Basically drone UI is massive clickfest through dropdowns.

There're plenty of ships that use drones as primary "weapon system." So why we are into the 2nd decade of Eve and the ships aren't even finished? No proper UI = unfinished. It was hardly acceptable before the Retribution. CCP decides to update AI, but UI wasn't and isn't a priority clearly.

It's interesting to see people posting the "adapt" lines on the subject.
Well, sure. I still have a use to a small part of my 11.5kk drone sp, it is mostly sentries now. They work OK-ish on Ishtar with MWD, painter and 2 remote armor reps.

So, idc really if rat ai is changed - we'll get used to it, but i will never get used to stupendously clunky drone interface.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#26 - 2012-12-08 03:24:25 UTC
Drones have been crap for a long time. Now it's worse I suppose, but crap is crap any way you look at it, sniff it, touch it, taste it... Straight
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Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-12-08 07:03:37 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Amarr drones are actually useful

How? Is there a non-PvE situation in which, instead of Warrior II's, you'd use the slower, lower damage, higher sig, worse tracking, but marginally tankier Acolyte II's?

EV drones don't count (and their use is marginal at best).


Sure, say you're out hunting ratters in the North, they're not tanked for EM at all, they tank Kinetic and Thermal, so using EM works better.

There are other situations where you'd want them, most involve neutralizing shield ships until their hardeners go off.



ratting is non-pve ? Shocked ah ok, you are baiting, lol
Trillian Torres
Blackout Cartel
NO NEED LOOSE FACE
#28 - 2012-12-09 15:29:16 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Grath, you must be trolling. There's no situation that a Valkrye or Warrior wouldn't put an Amarr drone to shame. I don't know very many people who focus on explosive damage as their primary tank. Not to mention how many hulls are weak to it.


Whats the most common ratter ship type up north?

When its invulns are off whats it weakest to damage wise?

You're focusing on a region and not a damage system. And what player with at least half a brain would go into a combat situation without hardeners on?
Pretty GuyYeah
#29 - 2012-12-09 15:37:52 UTC
I agree with OP, CCP, please look to it.

Post with your main.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#30 - 2012-12-09 16:22:47 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
I don't know very many people who focus on explosive damage as their primary tank. .


Every non-amarr-t2 armour tanker...?

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Malecite
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-12-09 17:37:45 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:


C.C.P. approaches drone fixes as a politician will approach clean coal. It's a hot button issue that scores them points when they talk about it at Fan Fest, but nothing really gets done.


Like Normal,... move along.....
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