EVE General Discussion

What if I want to make the party I sell the killright to be the entirety of Eve? Or are you proposing the sandbox have yet another wall built into it? The way I see it the best way for me to get retribution is to maximize the number of people who can give it. I dont want to be limited to a single other person. For all I know his computer will die, along with my chances for retribution.

Also right now I can limit the sale of killrights to one other person, corp or alliance. In that case the target will not have an easy way to tell the killright has been sold until suddenly hes a target.

Oh, and that freighter kill got mentioned in another thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179977&find=unread

I think you mean "can't." ..but yes, about what I was thinking. Get in range pop the top and plug 'em. Doesn't get much simpler than that. Of course, this means you have to be fit for good scan res or have a passive targeter to drop a lock so you don't need to wait for it.

..figured those things must be there for some reason; too bad they still gimp fits. Shouldn't they be a high slot module?

I always thought so; there aren't enough high slot modules.

Passive targeters with an alpha strike fleet anyone? You got a good chance of catching people who are trying to scam killrights that way. Its almost like setting up a gank fleet: Kill the target fast before the opportunity goes away. Except you will not be losing a ship to CONCORD.

Upon thinking about it, I think it would be neat if you were oblivious to the state of a killright. While I believe you should be informed that someone has killrights on you, I think it would be interesting if you don't know whether those killrights are publicly purchasable. Then there's a better chance of you getting caught with your pants down, which is reasonable.

Btw, I'm stating this as someone that has quite a few killrights on me at the moment... not as some highsec killright hunter.

Sell-able, not buy-able.


Because giving a warning in a system that suddenly flags a person to every single other player in the game is a rational decision. You can remove that warning the day that attacking a suspect brings in CONCORD and results in a security penalty. Fair is fair.

I mean, really? As overpowering as the suspect flag is, you want people to have it without even knowing they have it?

Retribution shouldn't mean a guaranteed kill as long as you're willing to hit a single button. You should still have to work for it.


If kill rights didn't result in suspect flags, but instead limited engagements between bounty hunters and targets, this would indeed be the optimal solution. It's the one we begged CCP to implement for years, and especially in the months leading up to Retribution's release.

I can see how my language makes that a bit ambiguous. What I meant to imply was that kill right services should be sell-able from the bounty hunter's point of view. As in, the bounty hunter sells his services to the victim, instead of the victim charging the bounty hunter money for the privilege of going after the perp, or in this case, the privilege of activating a suspect flag on the perp so that the bounty hunter technically doesn't even need to risk his own neck in the process. Uh, lol.

CCP was simply driven to retain the bears by allowing them to recoup some of their losses via selling kill rights. In theory, a proper bounty-hunting system would plug many holes in EVE's gameplay, such as the ability to legally go after NPC-corped perps, which the war declaration mechanic doesn't allow for. What we got instead is a doubling-up of what already existed, in the form of the suspect flag, which is nothing more than a pseudo-CONCORD event.

We are (were?) a dedicated high-sec/WH mercenary corporation. Before Inferno so terribly screwed up the war system, when people got hurt, they paid us to go after the bad guys. Sometimes bad guys paid us to go after good guys, bad versus bad, good versus good, etc. All in relative terms of course, but you get the idea. The system was clunky, but it worked. Most things could be accomplished though good old negotiation and a war declaration. Now, that's gone. It's been replaced by a faceless ally system, in which people opt to just open up their wars for free allies (most of which are hub campers looking for more targets, and never actively seek the enemy), and the new kill rights system, which is about as authentic of a bounty-hunting experience as I am an authentic Irishman.

What I find quite ironic is how you like to tell everyone that what they're saying is "just their opinion" but you yourself state things like "you are in fact an idiot" without any evidence to prove that it is a fact. Did you know that even geniuses are capable of absent-minded mistakes? Einstein frequently forgot to pay his rent, and was always short on money as a result. He couldn't always afford tobacco, so he used to pick up cigarette butts off the street to fill his pipe with the left-over tobacco.

I'm not sure. But I guess the issue for me is having everything tied to a suspect flag. I don't think killrights should be. Yeah you can gain an immediate suspect flag per normal actions that generate one but Retribution shouldn't be implicitly tied to that flag permanently. You weren't a criminal/suspect before this change after you earned a killright once the timer ran out. You were free to roam around as you saw fit but had the chance to run in to a guy who could attack you freely in revenge. That system was good. It just needed an option for the pilot to sell that revenge to a person equipped to handle it.

The new system sucks for both parties. Its going to stagnate pvp. No one operating in hisec is going to run around in anything worth killing with a public gank one click away. Okay maybe the inane will but anyone worth their salt would know better. If I kill you tonight I assure you, you won't catch me in a bling ship for thirty days. Anyone who would is either incredibly foolish or rich enough to not care. Actually I could personally im sitting on half a dozen tengus but i'd still opt for not giving the target the satisfaction.

That dynamic would change if I couldn't tell if you had made the killright purchaseable and if I knew that it wasn't accessible with one click to the entire EVE universe. The level of absurdity in that isn't worth detailing. Anyone that can read and write and put a coherent sentence together can see the difference. (not you DC, in general, i'm quite fond of your posts, one of the 25 worthwhile I mentioned previously)