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Devil's Call
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#141 - 2012-12-07 14:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Devil's Call
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Haha I was going to give the name back. I just wanted to see where the GMs would come down on this issue. And they've set a very interesting precedent here. And their interference has completely scrambled the normal rules and outcomes of ingame mechanics as a result. I honestly don't know what the consequences will be.


Honestly. This will set a imballance in the time-space continuum.
Edit; Which could lead to the end of eve, obviously.
flakeys
Doomheim
#142 - 2012-12-07 14:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Alavaria Fera wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Tbh it's not about what zerg did anymore but what the GM's did.

He calls it interesting , i'd say that's an understatement.This is the first time i am aware that this type of intervention happends and i can name a good amount of examples where the response would be 'too bad , logs and crap , blabla' while being in the same line of 'misstake/bug' .

But then conspiracy theory or not i know CCP has a hot for some alliances.Most say goons but while i dislike goons big time i'd more go towards the empire caterers like RVB and offcourse E-UNI is way , WAY on the top there.

Heh, ah there's this story about "kenzoku" turning into "band of brothers reloaded" or something? Then getting changed back...

Do recall that the CCP people love to say oh look, RvB, oh look EVE Uni !

It would be ... less than desirable if things caused RvB to turn into Yellow VS Pink. Mind you, the players were adapting just fine, but it ~isn't the sameee~



**** less then desirable , i had less then desirable bugs and crap in my time in eve and same response every time , the **** happends , cold harsh world and logs show nothing rule applies to all of us :) .

No make that SHOULD apply to all of us . In regards to kenzoku : ' Old BOB , that cow been milked dry years ago to show rules do not apply to all' .

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#143 - 2012-12-07 14:41:14 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Tbh it's not about what zerg did anymore but what the GM's did.

He calls it interesting , i'd say that's an understatement.This is the first time i am aware that this type of intervention happends and i can name a good amount of examples where the response would be 'too bad , logs and crap , blabla' while being in the same line of 'misstake/bug' .

But then conspiracy theory or not i know CCP has a hot for some alliances.Most say goons but while i dislike goons big time i'd more go towards the empire caterers like RVB and offcourse E-UNI is way , WAY on the top there.

Heh, ah there's this story about "kenzoku" turning into "band of brothers reloaded" or something? Then getting changed back...

Do recall that the CCP people love to say oh look, RvB, oh look EVE Uni !

It would be ... less than desirable if things caused RvB to turn into Yellow VS Pink. Mind you, the players were adapting just fine, but it ~isn't the sameee~



**** less then desirable , i had less then desirable bugs and crap in my time in eve and same response every time , the **** happends , cold harsh world and logs show nothing rule applies to all of us :) .

No make that SHOULD apply to all of us . In regards to kenzoku : ' Old BOB , that cow been milked dry years ago to show rules do not apply to all' .


If you think we have recieved a special treatment you can thank Zerg Overmind for that. The more drama a case like this causes the more likely it is to get fixed. And boy, Zerg Overmind really understands how to blow things up in is quest for attention.

So next time you get a bug or something like that. Make sure that he can exploid it and create a new wave of drama.

DISCLAIMER: I do not know the GMs standard policy and I don't know whether RVB got special treatment or not compared to other alliances. I'm just saying that if the incident was left on it's own, the likelyhood of GMs caring would be lower.

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#144 - 2012-12-07 15:18:43 UTC
Nothing here to see. Slight turbulence, we are readjusting our altitude to compensate.

We are operating business as usual or very soon will be.

However, should you decide to point at Mr. Peniscranium....er, Zerg Overmind, do be so kind as to point and laugh. Maybe you should undock once in a while?

On behalf of Red Fed (best Fed)

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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-12-07 15:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
flakeys wrote:
Sweet'n Buttery Khorne wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooo



So much for the 'super villian'.


...snicker...



Tbh it's not about what zerg did anymore but what the GM's did.

He calls it interesting , i'd say that's an understatement.This is the first time i am aware that this type of intervention happends and i can name a good amount of examples where the response would be 'too bad , logs and crap , blabla' while being in the same line of 'misstake/bug' .

But then conspiracy theory or not i know CCP has a hot for some alliances.Most say goons but while i dislike goons big time i'd more go towards the empire caterers like RVB and offcourse E-UNI is way , WAY on the top there.


The extra attention is fair though. The emergent institutions of RvB and E-UNI bring something to the sandbox that the usual gunboat capitalists do not. They certainly give more than they take. Can't say that about the Goons.

I would even possibly include Dec Shield in this. I say would, but then this thread happened. Dec Shield and their founder have gone down a lot in my estimations and sympathy.
Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#146 - 2012-12-07 16:28:15 UTC
The VC's wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Sweet'n Buttery Khorne wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOoooo



So much for the 'super villian'.


...snicker...



Tbh it's not about what zerg did anymore but what the GM's did.

He calls it interesting , i'd say that's an understatement.This is the first time i am aware that this type of intervention happends and i can name a good amount of examples where the response would be 'too bad , logs and crap , blabla' while being in the same line of 'misstake/bug' .

But then conspiracy theory or not i know CCP has a hot for some alliances.Most say goons but while i dislike goons big time i'd more go towards the empire caterers like RVB and offcourse E-UNI is way , WAY on the top there.


The extra attention is fair though. The emergent institutions of RvB and E-UNI bring something to the sandbox that the usual gunboat capitalists do not. They certainly give more than they take. Can't say that about the Goons.

I would even possibly include Dec Shield in this. I say would, but then this thread happened. Dec Shield and their founder have gone down a lot in my estimations and sympathy.


What dec shield did was noble, as far as pointing out the holes in CCP's loops.

They should have, however, stayed with that.

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#147 - 2012-12-07 16:51:26 UTC
So much hate. You forget that I really had only a tangential role in all these events. I was not responsible for the disband. I was also not responsible for them putting the alliance back together incorrectly. In fact, temporarily holding the name did very little but add 30 seconds to the process of restoring the alliance. And I had promised to return the name regardless of how events turned out. So if you want to hate me, it should be for the wars, not for current events.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-12-07 17:09:55 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
So much hate. You forget that I really had only a tangential role in all these events. I was not responsible for the disband. I was also not responsible for them putting the alliance back together incorrectly. In fact, temporarily holding the name did very little but add 30 seconds to the process of restoring the alliance. And I had promised to return the name regardless of how events turned out. So if you want to hate me, it should be for the wars, not for current events.


That one way to look at it, another would be that it all happened because you did not just give them back the name, while you could... and that's why you carry the full claim.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#149 - 2012-12-07 17:18:58 UTC
dexington wrote:

That one way to look at it, another would be that it all happened because you did not just give them back the name, while you could... and that's why you carry the full claim.

That wouldn't have affected the outcome at all. Since they're trapped in outgoing wars they wouldn't have been able to rejoin the alliance anyways. Thus they'd still have gone through petitions and GMs to reinstate the alliance w/ alliance logo + stats + history. If I wasn't holding the name and they were there would have been absolutely no difference. Besides, this way we get this wonderful thread

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#150 - 2012-12-07 17:21:29 UTC
Yeah right.

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#151 - 2012-12-07 17:24:11 UTC
Relax. It looks like you guys are going to escape the wars with us due to this bug. This is a massive win for you

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Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#152 - 2012-12-07 17:31:21 UTC
You dont get it, brainiac.

We were never worried about the wars.

Oh, and the "Well, I was going to give the name back hurf blurf...."

That was crap also and you know it. 25b ransom on our alliance name. Pffft.

Lesson to be learned, stick to your mission of helping CCP find their problem areas. This you did very well.

Stay out of the ransom ring. You suck at it.

Expect a few crapfit frigs on our behalf to help you feel better about yourself.

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#153 - 2012-12-07 17:34:31 UTC
We should talk
From: The Zerg Overmind
Sent: 2012.12.03 23:31
To: Del DelVechio,

Firstly, I apologize for being an ass about everything in public. But sensationalism sells well for publicity, and people expect me to be the bad guy. Right now I'm holding the "RvB - Red Federation" name for such publicity reasons. I also apologize for trapping you guys in a huge number of wars, but RvB has added a huge amount of credibility to our cause through mass numbers.

RvB offers a very valuable service to Eve, and has drawn in many new players and exposed them to mass pvp content at the entry level. It's player organizations like yours that keeps players in the game, and I applaud you for it. RvB must survive. I will give you back the alliance name and you can reform. No cost, no frills, no gimicks. BUT, I want to wait and see what the GMs say to your petition to restore the name first.

Half of everything we do is just to test the limits of what we can get away with in Eve, and this is one of those cases. I want to see if the GMs will uphold the sandbox and let us keep the name first. If they say they can't help you I'll return the name. If they revert the name to your control, same outcome (make sure if they restore the name that you get them to scramble our corp ticker as well - they didn't do that for RvB-P when they name changed them).

That being said, I don't believe that CCP have fixed the wardec exploits. I believe I have methods to continue to hold everyone hostage for the indefinite future:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2244153#post2244153

they give cryptic hints that they did close the loophole, but this could just be a dev who's two weeks behind in current events:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2256757#post2256757

If the wardec loopholes are not closed then Red Federation will be unable to join an alliance regardless (but at least you'll have the name). We will see if they managed to fix wars the 3rd time around here. I just thought I should give you the heads up. And if Dec Shield is still in business post-expansion, you're of course welcome to any of our wars you desire :P

o7
Dec Shield

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-12-07 17:52:10 UTC
Guess everyone loves RvB, even the bad guys... maybe it's only kil2 who hates RvB ;)

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#155 - 2012-12-07 17:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Random McNally
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We should talk
From: The Zerg Overmind
Sent: 2012.12.03 23:31
To: Del DelVechio,

Firstly, I apologize for being an ass about everything in public. But sensationalism sells well for publicity,


Thats all well and good, but you were an ass in public. Dont expect us to be all "teehee"

We didnt mind the war decs. The worst thing about it was clearing off our notifications....hourly.

Regardless, we are back to nomal(ish).

How is your credibility now?

Have a nice day.

Late edit: Now had this mail gone out right after you took the alliance name, we could have had some public fun with it.

Back to the drawing board, mate.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#156 - 2012-12-07 18:24:34 UTC
Great stuff, 5/5 for the thread. Keep up the good work, DecShield !

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-12-07 18:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We should talk
From: The Zerg Overmind
Sent: 2012.12.03 23:31
To: Del DelVechio,

Firstly, I apologize for being an ass about everything in public. But sensationalism sells well for publicity, and people expect me to be the bad guy. Right now I'm holding the "RvB - Red Federation" name for such publicity reasons. I also apologize for trapping you guys in a huge number of wars, but RvB has added a huge amount of credibility to our cause through mass numbers.

RvB offers a very valuable service to Eve, and has drawn in many new players and exposed them to mass pvp content at the entry level. It's player organizations like yours that keeps players in the game, and I applaud you for it. RvB must survive. I will give you back the alliance name and you can reform. No cost, no frills, no gimicks. BUT, I want to wait and see what the GMs say to your petition to restore the name first.

Half of everything we do is just to test the limits of what we can get away with in Eve, and this is one of those cases. I want to see if the GMs will uphold the sandbox and let us keep the name first. If they say they can't help you I'll return the name. If they revert the name to your control, same outcome (make sure if they restore the name that you get them to scramble our corp ticker as well - they didn't do that for RvB-P when they name changed them).

That being said, I don't believe that CCP have fixed the wardec exploits. I believe I have methods to continue to hold everyone hostage for the indefinite future:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2244153#post2244153

they give cryptic hints that they did close the loophole, but this could just be a dev who's two weeks behind in current events:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2256757#post2256757

If the wardec loopholes are not closed then Red Federation will be unable to join an alliance regardless (but at least you'll have the name). We will see if they managed to fix wars the 3rd time around here. I just thought I should give you the heads up. And if Dec Shield is still in business post-expansion, you're of course welcome to any of our wars you desire :P

o7
Dec Shield



No need to say sorry, you can't help it that Being an ass runs in your family.
Now try again and write something you actually mean and write stuff you actually understand what it says.

You just try to kiss ass to prevent retaliation by people.

Ooh and love how CCP made you obsolete.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-12-07 18:32:49 UTC
Random McNally wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
We should talk
From: The Zerg Overmind
Sent: 2012.12.03 23:31
To: Del DelVechio,

Firstly, I apologize for being an ass about everything in public. But sensationalism sells well for publicity,


Thats all well and good, but you were an ass in public. Dont expect us to be all "teehee"

We didnt mind the war decs. The worst thing about it was clearing off our notifications....hourly.

Regardless, we are back to nomal(ish).

How is your credibility now?

Have a nice day.

Late edit: Now had this mail gone out right after you took the alliance name, we could have had some public fun with it.

Back to the drawing board, mate.


This.

Fully support RvB in the matter.

They didn't care about it (intel from friends within both Red and Blue)

But your name is ruined now...

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#159 - 2012-12-07 19:10:06 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
But your name is ruined now...

lol wat

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#160 - 2012-12-07 19:15:25 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
But your name is ruined now...

lol wat

Haha, reputation on the GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUMS.

Achievement unlocked: "Good tears, good thread."

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