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Gallente PVE competitiveness just got killed. Even after soon to come reduced drone aggro

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Valkyrie Vixen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-07 13:43:46 UTC
Nice going CCP. After I read that you are still pushing with the AI attacks drones update by "lowering" the hate I got fed up. Well I got news for you. This wont change a thing. Hear this, from someone who multi tasks more than few accounts with droneboats, it was already a big clickfest of launching drones, setting to assist/guard, recalling, changing drone type, doing that all over and again on next spawn and etc.

As it is now, you got to screen all your alts every second, clicking different window, recall, repair and buy/load new drones if you lost some. Spare me your pathetic comments of "adapt" solo ship gallente flyers or someone who uses them just to kill those few elite frigs and not a primary dps weapon. You can adapt, and avoid major losses, but the amount of effort you put in compared to some missile drake/tengu difference is just too big. I challenge you to give me few strong advantages to use drone based ships in any activity related to PVE. Anything that would give an edge over other gun platforms.

As for someone who invested 10mil SP into drones and 10mil SP for gallente ship command this is not acceptable. I don't want my pve to be intense and tiring as pvp. This should be relaxing, almost brain dead activity that I would do to earn isk for PVP. The new AI affects basically only drones. Maybe some few guys who uses logi alts. If I wanted to go hardcore I would go to Nulls or Wormholes to do HARD plexes with a lot of incoming DPS, which would require more attention and knowledge and ships.

I hope you read this CCP FoxFour and bring some sense in your daily department meetings. There are ALOT unhappy customers. I personally gonna stop subbing my accounts. I am not gonna retrain to another ship just because of broken patch. Too bad I paid yearly subs, so I still have to wait out 6 months.

You want to make missions challenging and interesting? How about putting more effort and redesigning whole content from the ground up with an engaging story? Play skyrim for once. PVE is big part of eve you want it or not. Ships are not free and everyone must grind for them.

P.S. I swear, hire a team of fresh students with more experienced TL to pickup ALL ideas of PVE content from forums and implement them while removing old and aged current system. You will have more subs than WOW.
Merouk Baas
#2 - 2012-12-07 13:48:54 UTC
First!

- just about as useful as the OP
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-07 13:50:45 UTC
Valkyrie Vixen wrote:
This should be relaxing, almost brain dead activity that I would do to earn isk for PVP.


Um... I think the changes were brought in for this exact reason. The mechanics of the game should not allow one to earn significant isk while in a "brain dead state".

Just sayin'
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-07 13:50:58 UTC
tl;dr "i can't eve properly" thread

nothing to see here, people

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#5 - 2012-12-07 13:52:13 UTC
Valkyrie Vixen wrote:
I challenge you to give me few strong advantages to use drone based ships in any activity related to PVE. Anything that would give an edge over other gun platforms.


Forsaken hubs don't have frigates (at least the Serpentis ones don't) Release drones, aggro, collect loot. You are welcome.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-12-07 13:52:39 UTC
Yeah they really ****** up the caldar with the missile nerf.Drakes and tengu's are crap now ...


Ow wait sorry i'm confusing the 'my race is dying ' threads now ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#7 - 2012-12-07 13:52:43 UTC
Ohh wow - they are already caving into semi AFK mission runners?
Damn shame.

At least you admitted you are loosing drones due to lack of wanting to work harder as opposed to it really being overpowered.

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Valkyrie Vixen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-07 13:53:15 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
tl;dr "i can't eve properly" thread

nothing to see here, people

missed the part where effort put for drone users is not adequate like for tengu kids such as yourself. try again
Valkyrie Vixen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-07 13:56:11 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Ohh wow - they are already caving into semi AFK mission runners?
Damn shame.

At least you admitted you are loosing drones due to lack of wanting to work harder as opposed to it really being overpowered.


not exactly. I dont want to work hard, but that is not the issue. Issue is that I work hard, and some other with not a turret ship works less hard.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-07 14:00:05 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Yeah they really ****** up the caldar with the missile nerf.Drakes and tengu's are crap now ...


Ow wait sorry i'm confusing the 'my race is dying ' threads now ...


do people not understand that javelin HAMs do as much as their old heavies and still have way enough range for almost any non-null sec blob scenario?

if the ship can put enough DPS on you from >35km to put you at risk, you likely would be screwed in a drake any way, because they would just warp off prior to dying even if you had damage on them

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-07 14:02:48 UTC
Valkyrie Vixen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
tl;dr "i can't eve properly" thread

nothing to see here, people

missed the part where effort put for drone users is not adequate like for tengu kids such as yourself. try again


Never flown a Tengu. How ironic you should refer to me as a kid while simultaneously making childish assumptions.

Try again.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-07 14:03:15 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Valkyrie Vixen wrote:
This should be relaxing, almost brain dead activity that I would do to earn isk for PVP.


Um... I think the changes were brought in for this exact reason. The mechanics of the game should not allow one to earn significant isk while in a "brain dead state".

Just sayin'

This logic would dictate a very severe nerf to the Drake, Tengu, and Machariel in the near future.

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Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
#13 - 2012-12-07 14:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nelran Estemaire
You could always team up with another players and do your pve, I see your issue with multiboxing droneboats though, have you tried limiting what boat uses which drones? 20 lights have no place on the battlefield imo.

Drone users came best out of this expansion in my opinion, ewar has more or less killed guns against blood raiders/sansha, and the nerf to heavy missiles make it harder to hit frigs, forcing missile users to switch ammo, which takes 20s each time. I would rather from my 1-ship-per-human point of view watch the overview a bit than not hitting at all.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-07 14:12:26 UTC
Nelran Estemaire wrote:
You could always team up with another players and do your pve, I see your issue with multiboxing droneboats though, have you tried limiting what boat uses which drones? 20 lights have no place on the battlefield imo.

Drone users came best out of this expansion in my opinion, ewar has more or less killed guns against blood raiders/sansha, and the nerf to heavy missiles make it harder to hit frigs, forcing missile users to switch ammo, which takes 20s each time. I would rather from my 1-ship-per-human point of view watch the overview a bit that not hitting at all.


Speaking of EWAR... are you aware of the four new skills that you can now train to improve your ship sensor strength, reducing the effects of the newly-buffed sensor dampeners and freshly-nerfed ECM?

Gravimetric Sensor Compensation [Caldari & Guristas ships]
Ladar Sensor Compensation [Minmatar & Angel Cartel ships]
Magnetometric Sensor Compensation [Gallente, Serpentis, & ORE ships]
Radar Sensor Compensation [Amarr, Blood Raider, & Sanshas ships]

The one you want to focus on depends on what racial ships you're flying. Get those trained up, and watch the magic ;)

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#15 - 2012-12-07 14:32:30 UTC
Wow, OP uses several accounts at once which is now harder to do.

I feel for the OP.

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Mr Pragmatic
#16 - 2012-12-07 14:48:12 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Wow, OP uses several accounts at once which is now harder to do.

I feel for the OP.


all dem feels.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#17 - 2012-12-07 14:51:18 UTC
Multiboxing is not supported in eve.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2012-12-07 14:53:27 UTC
Never been much of a drone missioner myself and if i had to, sentry drones. Pop cap them off.

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Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-07 14:57:16 UTC
All I'm seeing is crying over the fact you can't afk isk.

Funny how you have to play the game to make isk. Crazy almost.

Seriously we need to start a movement to threaten unsubbing if they revert it back to the old way, to cancel this whining out.

I lied :o

Lipbite
Express Hauler
#20 - 2012-12-07 15:03:50 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Valkyrie Vixen wrote:
This should be relaxing, almost brain dead activity that I would do to earn isk for PVP.


Um... I think the changes were brought in for this exact reason. The mechanics of the game should not allow one to earn significant isk while in a "brain dead state".

Just sayin'


Translation: EVE doesn't welcome casual gameplay, look for other games to relax.
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