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Flying, FItting Thorax + Flying skill?
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Niyon Miromme
#1 - 2012-12-07 09:37:37 UTC
Hello

I'm a returning eve player who has nearl 3mill sp. I'm currently going into a pvp aspect of the game. I'm fitting my thorax with blaster so i can be adgile with speed and heavy damage when close up. I've got a few people willing to help me fit it and steer me into the right direction. I just have a few problems i used to believe fighting needed no skill, it was where who had the best guns and who hits first but now i'm led to believe its not that at all.

So in my circumstance where i'm flying a Thorax, what contribuets for me to be a skillful pilot?

Thanks

[u]Don't hate me for beeing scottish, hate yourself for not beeing scottish[/u]™
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-07 10:01:52 UTC
Niyon Miromme wrote:
Hello

I'm a returning eve player who has nearl 3mill sp. I'm currently going into a pvp aspect of the game. I'm fitting my thorax with blaster so i can be adgile with speed and heavy damage when close up. I've got a few people willing to help me fit it and steer me into the right direction. I just have a few problems i used to believe fighting needed no skill, it was where who had the best guns and who hits first but now i'm led to believe its not that at all.

So in my circumstance where i'm flying a Thorax, what contribuets for me to be a skillful pilot?

Thanks


As a member of the group of players who deprived you of your last Thorax (what a coincidence), I hope they can help you better than your last mentors. Your lost Thoraxes were not well fitted in my opinion.

Take into consideration the range of your guns, know what you are facing (both ship types, number of oponents, etc) and try to get into fleets and small gangs to get the ball rolling and get a feel for the ship's capabilities: speed, effective range of your guns, tracking at distances, what can you tackle and what you'd rather not face alone, how enemy ships behave against your Thorax and how to counter it, interesting stuff which some people inexplicable forgets to consider, like avoiding to MWD straight to an enemy sniper with zero transversal, etc.

Perhaps you'd be better served if you asked for general PvP help in the New Citizens forum. There's just too much information on the subject of improving your PvP skills.

The best thing I can contribute is: experience is everything. Keep trying, fly cheap stuff you can afford to lose and don't hesitate to ask your corpmates.
Niyon Miromme
#3 - 2012-12-07 10:08:25 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Niyon Miromme wrote:
Hello

I'm a returning eve player who has nearl 3mill sp. I'm currently going into a pvp aspect of the game. I'm fitting my thorax with blaster so i can be adgile with speed and heavy damage when close up. I've got a few people willing to help me fit it and steer me into the right direction. I just have a few problems i used to believe fighting needed no skill, it was where who had the best guns and who hits first but now i'm led to believe its not that at all.

So in my circumstance where i'm flying a Thorax, what contribuets for me to be a skillful pilot?

Thanks


As a member of the group of players who deprived you of your last Thorax (what a coincidence), I hope they can help you better than your last mentors. Your lost Thoraxes were not well fitted in my opinion.

Take into consideration the range of your guns, know what you are facing (both ship types, number of oponents, etc) and try to get into fleets and small gangs to get the ball rolling and get a feel for the ship's capabilities: speed, effective range of your guns, tracking at distances, what can you tackle and what you'd rather not face alone, how enemy ships behave against your Thorax and how to counter it, interesting stuff which some people inexplicable forgets to consider, like avoiding to MWD straight to an enemy sniper with zero transversal, etc.

Perhaps you'd be better served if you asked for general PvP help in the New Citizens forum. There's just too much information on the subject of improving your PvP skills.

The best thing I can contribute is: experience is everything. Keep trying, fly cheap stuff you can afford to lose and don't hesitate to ask your corpmates.



Yeah my previous fits were more of me self learning. I failed but keep that on the down low :)
These folks as either what kinda spec and i want fast and close and personal.
The mechanics i use i'm not even sure they are right. For example. I warp to location see someone i target them orbit and my weapons optimal range which 1000m use MWD (the equivilant to NoS in cars), get drones out engage then use repair if needed then sit back and relax. I really dont do anything else apart from that.

Aswell one more question if i may. You can get types of thorax T1, T2 i think thats what they're called. What does T1, T2 mean is it the fittings are tier 2 or is the ship itself different?

Thanks

[u]Don't hate me for beeing scottish, hate yourself for not beeing scottish[/u]™
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#4 - 2012-12-07 13:43:30 UTC
Niyon Miromme wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
Niyon Miromme wrote:
Hello

I'm a returning eve player who has nearl 3mill sp. I'm currently going into a pvp aspect of the game. I'm fitting my thorax with blaster so i can be adgile with speed and heavy damage when close up. I've got a few people willing to help me fit it and steer me into the right direction. I just have a few problems i used to believe fighting needed no skill, it was where who had the best guns and who hits first but now i'm led to believe its not that at all.

So in my circumstance where i'm flying a Thorax, what contribuets for me to be a skillful pilot?

Thanks


As a member of the group of players who deprived you of your last Thorax (what a coincidence), I hope they can help you better than your last mentors. Your lost Thoraxes were not well fitted in my opinion.

Take into consideration the range of your guns, know what you are facing (both ship types, number of oponents, etc) and try to get into fleets and small gangs to get the ball rolling and get a feel for the ship's capabilities: speed, effective range of your guns, tracking at distances, what can you tackle and what you'd rather not face alone, how enemy ships behave against your Thorax and how to counter it, interesting stuff which some people inexplicable forgets to consider, like avoiding to MWD straight to an enemy sniper with zero transversal, etc.

Perhaps you'd be better served if you asked for general PvP help in the New Citizens forum. There's just too much information on the subject of improving your PvP skills.

The best thing I can contribute is: experience is everything. Keep trying, fly cheap stuff you can afford to lose and don't hesitate to ask your corpmates.



Yeah my previous fits were more of me self learning. I failed but keep that on the down low :)
These folks as either what kinda spec and i want fast and close and personal.
The mechanics i use i'm not even sure they are right. For example. I warp to location see someone i target them orbit and my weapons optimal range which 1000m use MWD (the equivilant to NoS in cars), get drones out engage then use repair if needed then sit back and relax. I really dont do anything else apart from that.

Aswell one more question if i may. You can get types of thorax T1, T2 i think thats what they're called. What does T1, T2 mean is it the fittings are tier 2 or is the ship itself different?

Thanks


Well it depends, but most fun are gank raxes with scram and dual LSE + EC-600 drones .... it is totaly kamikazes but u have so much fun out of it :)
Vixorz
Cabronazos
#5 - 2012-12-07 13:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixorz
Niyon Miromme wrote:


Yeah my previous fits were more of me self learning. I failed but keep that on the down low :)
These folks as either what kinda spec and i want fast and close and personal.
The mechanics i use i'm not even sure they are right. For example. I warp to location see someone i target them orbit and my weapons optimal range which 1000m use MWD (the equivilant to NoS in cars), get drones out engage then use repair if needed then sit back and relax. I really dont do anything else apart from that.

Aswell one more question if i may. You can get types of thorax T1, T2 i think thats what they're called. What does T1, T2 mean is it the fittings are tier 2 or is the ship itself different?

Thanks


Never keep MWD running when you have someone scrambled/webbed up close, that will destroy your capacitor. Unless you are webbed in which case may be good to turn it on to gain speed to avoid or reach someone.

It all depends on which ship you are fighting. For instance, at close range with similar ship size, it's less important to orbit, it's better to apply raw damage. If you were fighting cruisers at melee range, there is no point in orbiting if you have them running at slow speed around you. AKA: Use 'keep at range' button, scram/web it and overheat your blasters. (Train thermodynamics V asap)

The only time i think it's good to orbit (at normal speed) is when you are fighting bigger ships like Battleships. (BS) or you are kiting/sniping something with the proper fit.

T1 ships are Tech 1 ships. T2 ships are Tech 2 ships. Thorax hull has Deimos (HAC) and Phobos (HIC) T2 variants.
Also there is a nice faction ship called Vigilant.

Tier and Tech it's not the same.

P.S: There goes a good brawler 'brick' dual-web fit for the Thorax:

Quote:
[Thorax, Brick Brawler]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#6 - 2012-12-07 14:12:45 UTC
Welcome back Big smile
As others have said, never run your mwd when you have the enemy up close, as you will run out of cap very quickly. I highly recommend the fit listed above me. It can tank and dish a lot of damage. Here's a fit that is pure gank.

Highs:

Heavy Electron Blaster II x5 (Void M)

Mids:

10mn Experimental Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
Large Shield Extender II

Lows:

Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2
Tracking Enhancer II x2

Rigs:
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I x2
Medium Ancillary Current Router I (may not be needed, I don't have access to eft at the moment so I'm not sure)

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Niyon Miromme
#7 - 2012-12-07 14:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Niyon Miromme
I really appreciate this feedback. I'm trying to take it all in. Another question *sign* but still a noob, say i have a Thorax fitted with Tech 2 Mods with some reinforced armour and shield thingys :) what is my limit on what type a ship i can attack. Purely if it was a 1v1 situation.
Will this gank spec as you say be that fragile that i have to attack quickly as possible or if im too slow i'll die? Just atm i can't grasp where skill is needed. Just the fact okay thats *Ship name here* is too strong for me but if i do long range attack i could win etc.

[u]Don't hate me for beeing scottish, hate yourself for not beeing scottish[/u]™
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#8 - 2012-12-07 14:35:09 UTC
Skill is acquired over time. Sadly we cannot give you the skill. You will learn what you can and cannot engage through experience. Also, don't fit both armour and shield modules on a ship. Pick one. The tactic for the fit I gave you is rush in, get a scram and web on them and hammer them.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2012-12-07 14:56:55 UTC
Vixorz wrote:
[Thorax, Brick Brawler]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

The Thorax only has 3 mids now fyi... So dual web can't be done like that anymore.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#10 - 2012-12-07 15:02:13 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Vixorz wrote:
[Thorax, Brick Brawler]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

The Thorax only has 3 mids now fyi... So dual web can't be done like that anymore.

Um no, it got a 4th mid in retribution

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2012-12-07 15:13:28 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Kosetzu wrote:

The Thorax only has 3 mids now fyi... So dual web can't be done like that anymore.

Um no, it got a 4th mid in retribution

Hmm my bad, somehow pyfa hasn't been updated with that, but it has some of the other changes :S
Villaseni
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-07 16:21:58 UTC
Thorax is really a great ship. The best bit of advice is overhead your mid rack and just get the guy into scram range and pound him. I don't use void unless I have a web fitted, so if you're running a shield fit, use Federation Navy Antimatter. If armour, you'll have a web (or 2 ) and pound away with void.
I'd use Hammerhead II's rather then warriors + ecm because the likelyhood of a jam with small ecm isn't that much now (especially with the new sensor strength skills + stealth sensor strength buff in retribution), so the hammers provide great damage, even on a webbed frigate.