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MWD - CLOAK TRICK

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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-21 18:04:34 UTC
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??
ScarredEye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-21 18:10:21 UTC
while I do agree on the fact a cloak will get you out of most of the trouble in lowsec and that is never to the liking of those who like killing people in lowsec(such as you and me), I find it adds to the mechanics in a nice way. People using mwd+cloak trick on non-covert ops ships can still be caught without an interceptor/very fast lock ship, and if covert ops ships were more difficult to catch they would not be worth it at all.

In short, I'd just live with it. It is very possible to catch ships with a cloak anyway.

Also, if you think about it you don't have to run around with a cloak in highsec.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#3 - 2011-10-21 18:12:17 UTC
Nope, don't agree.

Try PvP with ships that shoot back. It's more exciting.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Vizvayu Koga
#4 - 2011-10-21 18:26:12 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??


I agree that it's a trick and should be fixed. But at the same time they should also make changes to avoid situations like gate camping where there's no way out for a non-pvp ship. If you entered the gate and it's camped, without the mwd-cloak trick you're automatically dead and there's nothing you can do about it... and that's not cool, you should have a chance to get out. I can't think of a good way fix to this, maybe making impossible to target a ship inside 20km radius of a gate or something like that, but fixing the mwd-cloak trick alone won't work, it just wouldn't be fair as gate camping is somehow a trick too, since you can't avoid getting killed and there's no way to really know if a gate is camped. Sure, avoiding lowsec works but I believe we need more people in lowsec, not less.
Strike Severasse
#5 - 2011-10-21 18:43:20 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??


Yes i have a great idea!!!

NOOOO NOT NO WAY to babying further the gates.

How easy can gate camping get already you #@$^%@$%??? haha

If they warp, cloak, rush to the next gate and catch them there, better yet, have your campers waiting for them!

Gate camping needs to get harder, require tactics, not be made simple for babies of Null. Profit come from risk, not sitting on your ass drinking beer, and watching the screen like a bunch of bots.

1) We need GATE ALERTS (how many are on the other side withing 150k?)
2) We should pop-out of gates at maybe 150k so the campers have to do some work for their reward

Lets Toughen Up the Carebear campers of Null Sec!!!

.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2011-10-22 09:05:03 UTC
Off topic posts removed.
Please stay on topic, thank you!

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Mag's
Azn Empire
#7 - 2011-10-22 09:33:02 UTC
I don't really have a care about this either way tbh. They may do something about this they may not, but it's been going on for years.

Vizvayu Koga wrote:
But at the same time they should also make changes to avoid situations like gate camping where there's no way out for a non-pvp ship.
There is, it's called scouting ahead.

Strike Severasse wrote:
1) We need GATE ALERTS (how many are on the other side withing 150k?)
2) We should pop-out of gates at maybe 150k so the campers have to do some work for their reward
1. Use a scout.
2. Why, when you can use a scout?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-24 15:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
Some people are misunderstanding me, I dont care about the Covert ops, cloaky ships are ok, but I dont like the fact that you can use the cloak trick on ALL ships. even Battleships run through gatecamps with that MWD trick. It should only work on Covert Ops and such.

And if you wanna avoid Gatecamps, just use a scout in a covert ops or recon.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#9 - 2011-10-24 15:59:02 UTC
When in FnI you have to explain some things.


IE
What is the MWD trick for those less informed.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2011-10-24 16:11:56 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
Some people are misunderstanding me, I dont care about the Covert ops, cloaky ships are ok, but I dont like the fact that you can use the cloak trick on ALL ships. even Battleships run through gatecamps with that MWD trick. It should only work on Covert Ops and such.
It's pointless on covops and such since they don't need the functionality… that's why the other ships do it: because they do. So asking for it to only work on the ships where it is not needed (and even contraproductive) a pretty nonsensical request.

The question, as always, is: why?
Why can't you use the standard decloaking tactics?
Why is it unfair that they can try that, and you can try locking them before they do?

Ships slip though. BFD. Why is that a problem?
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#11 - 2011-10-24 16:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Klandi
@ Nova
WHAT - a toon from 2006 doesn't know the COMMONEST tactic in Eve.

Learn to play the game noob

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#12 - 2011-10-24 16:18:18 UTC
My apologies OP for the de-railing
Need to take my meds

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-24 18:26:24 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:

this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.


i hope you realize that in one patch ccp actually did remove the mwd+cloak trick (one where they fixed falcon's jams holding even after they'd cloaked) and hastily put in a post-patch to fix it's functionality. so im gonna go on ahead and say it's "working as intended"
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-24 18:42:41 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??


Bring a sabre, throw up a bubble.

Oh, right, lowsec. Learn to decloak. It really isn't that hard.

Oh, that's too much :effort:? wah.

From everything I've heard about the game, this is a feature, not a trick. Devs put it in years ago to allow commerce to happen in lowsec at all.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-24 21:43:50 UTC
CCP follows through on OP's suggestion...OP is in lowsec with highsec cloaked friend as scout on the other side.

OP: Haha! Another dies to my guns!
Buddy: Awesome dude!
OP: I am invinsible!
Buddy: Invincible...
OP: What?
Buddy: You misspelled it...
OP: Shut the **** up and let me know when the next guy lands on the gate on your side.

Fast Forward several weeks

OP: God I am ******* bored. Anyone in system?
Buddy: No, just a couple miners.
OP: Damn, why has it been so slow.
Buddy: I could of told you why, but you wouldn't listen.
OP: What?
Buddy: You wanted cloaking nerfed, you got your wish.
OP: Huh
Buddy: Consequences dude, consequences. You do relize, that without that crutch to escape now, anyone with a couple of brain cells to fire in sequence knows this gate is not safe to run.
OP: They can fit stabs on their industrials...
Buddy: And you went for 1400mm alpha counter
OP: They could fly a co-ops transport...
Buddy: And they did, for but for 3 days while Marty decloaked them we got them so I don't think that guy is comming back, but Marty is on vaction with his girlfriend right now and you fail to even try to decloak them so that point is moot.
OP: Damn it....what else could we do
Buddy: Well, we go go back to WoW...
OP: Shut the **** up...wait I got it. *pulls a Bat Cowl over his head* Quick Robin, to the Forums! If CCP listens to me to nerf cloaking then we can get them to move level 4s to lowsec as well.
Buddy: . . .your an idiot
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#16 - 2011-10-24 21:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Klandi wrote:
@ Nova
WHAT - a toon from 2006 doesn't know the COMMONEST tactic in Eve.

Learn to play the game noob


The same pilot that sneaks around 0.0 without using a MWD and never lost a covert ops.

I had some pertty cruddy mentors growing up. Rise military being the worst of them.

But I still havent lost a covert ops yet.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-24 21:54:55 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??


NO.

You my friend, and believe me I'm not making fun of you, should learn with your team mates "how to: for nerds" gate camp

You didn't clearly announced: your gang type, ships, numbers

How can you even expect someone reasonably answer your post?

You should first ask for ideas "how to", then train all of them with your group and even then expect that some people will be able to outsmart you either by chance or just because they know what they are doing.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2011-10-25 01:43:42 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
well, it seems now EVERYBODY in EVE knows how to do the MWD-CLOAK TRICK.
while roaming with my gang today, we encounterd about 8 ships that did the MWD-CLOAK trick, and its getting worse everyday.
this should really be nerfed imo. it shouldn work that way, and I dont think it was intended to.
It completely takes the risk out of traveling trough low-sec. wich SHOULD be dangerous.

anyone here supporting this idea??


NO.

You my friend, and believe me I'm not making fun of you, should learn with your team mates "how to: for nerds" gate camp

You didn't clearly announced: your gang type, ships, numbers

How can you even expect someone reasonably answer your post?

You should first ask for ideas "how to", then train all of them with your group and even then expect that some people will be able to outsmart you either by chance or just because they know what they are doing.


Just remembered that you can be easily outfoxed by any smarter pilot as well. Its funny to see a guy bounce off my jetted can when he tried to ram me from warping off.

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Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-25 05:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
there was a time when the cloak shut down the MWD mid cycle when the Warp Scram was given the buff of shutting down Micro warp drives... About the time of the Speed nerf.

There was such an up roar that it was put back the way it was a week later.

The people opposing you point of view maybe stronger than you think.

Though I do use that "Feature" to allow me to get an Orca though Low Sec with 99% safety.....

Now that should burn you bubble!!!!

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#20 - 2011-10-25 09:59:23 UTC
MWD-cloak is just the clever way to move through lowsec, nothing wrong with people realized that.
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