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Do Macs need antivirus software?

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Aurelius Severasse
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-28 01:06:11 UTC
I just bought a Macbook Air about a month ago and everyone keeps telling me that I don't need antivirus software to keep my computer safe, but no one has been able to tell me why. They just keep saying that Macs don't get viruses. I just don't see how this can be true. Could someone please explain why everyone seems so confident that their Mac won't get infected?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#2 - 2012-11-29 00:06:49 UTC
As there are fewer Macs out there than Windows machines, virus writers tend to not write viruses for Macs. They go for numbers. On top of that the Mac OS makes it somewhat more difficult to get a good virus going. There are some, but very few. The result is you can ignore antivirus and in all likelihood never have a problem. But if you want to be really sure, you can still get it.

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Jet Burns
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#3 - 2012-11-29 23:59:31 UTC
My answer is more direct. Yes.

Just today I got an spam email that caught two virus files. When I saw the notice it reminded me of Aurellus post here and thought to myself, "well he would have been screwed." Just saying.

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#4 - 2012-11-30 07:19:03 UTC
It never hurts to have anti-virus software, having said that, if you pay attention to what you are downloading you should have less issues with virus's and the likes on your Mac.

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Meolyne
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-01 17:25:42 UTC
I never had one.

Windows filters blocks Mac dangerous files.
Mac OS blocks dangerous .exe files (at least, it's an unknown file on mac, advertised as a jpeg, you will trash it)

Windows = 95% market. Any Mac virus by mail will be blocked by Windows Market.

Now if you're playing on dedicated PiratePiratePirate files hosting : Torrent / Donkey / Usenet you should take care of user comments. Use at your own risk.

Main advantages of Mac AV : Block windows viruses.
(especially the one which de-activate windows AV)

If you check trusted websites, and trusted apps, no need AV. Remember to put a pasword on your admin account. malicious softwares tends to ask for it.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#6 - 2012-12-07 12:13:33 UTC
Meolyne wrote:

If you check trusted websites, and trusted apps, no need AV. Remember to put a pasword on your admin account. malicious softwares tends to ask for it.


"Brain" is the best AV, available for Mac, Linux und Windows.

Nothing can stop "flyby" infections like the Java Exploid for OSX Lion in the early 2012.

Keep your Mind and Eyes open and you can surf the web probably Virus free (at least with OSX and Linux)
Kehen Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-08 13:17:15 UTC
Even if Mac are not affected by Windows viruses, the Mac can still pass it along. An AV can prevent you from being part of a botnet.

As a gamer, I must say I feel quite concerned by the keyloggers, those that might concern my machine & those that I could propagate to other machine out of ignorance. A prudent use of the web will prevent you of most of the threats, but the surest way to be virus free is the AV.
Kimimaro Yoga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-12 01:22:14 UTC
Windows Malware/Viruses: Ninjas in the night come in through your many open windows, and steal everything without you knowing. They also kill your cat.



Mac Malware/Viruses: A man knocks on your door asking for a copy of your house keys, asking when you won't be home today, and if you wouldn't mind him being over. He assures you he is a good person.

My advice is, if you don't have a router between your computer and your ISP, get one. That will take care of the basic bots that spam IP addresses looking for responsive computers.
After that, well it's not just that Windows is on many more machines (as many of those are office drone boxes with nothing on them but Outlook, Excel and Powerpoint). It's also that parts of Windows, in particular Explorer and the media player, have been chock full of bad security design for years. Improvements have been made recently, but Windows has long been an easier target overall.

I can tell you that I've been running for years with no AV software on my Mac, just a router upstream. Periodically I download a scanner and look at my drive, I've never found anything more offensive than a couple tracking cookies, even though I download random crap pretty regularly.

That said, current malware is relying less and less on coding exploits, and more on social engineering. My favorite being the website that contains say, R-rated video of some B-list celebrity. You click on the webpage, and it tells you that you're missing a necessary codec for playback. you download it, it installs, and you get to watch your naughty videos. The website itself is exactly as promised... but that codec that you downloaded and gave permission to install is the virus. No hacks needed, the eager user cheerfully told it to install. Kinda hard for AV software to defend people from themselves.

P.P. MacKeeper is utter garbage. Don't go there.

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Uudoo Graeth
Darkstar Squadron
#9 - 2012-12-12 22:24:21 UTC
Aurelius Severasse wrote:
I just bought a Macbook Air about a month ago and everyone keeps telling me that I don't need antivirus software to keep my computer safe, but no one has been able to tell me why. They just keep saying that Macs don't get viruses. I just don't see how this can be true. Could someone please explain why everyone seems so confident that their Mac won't get infected?



Yes, Macs are affected by malware (I work in information security). Trojans exist for Macs, and other malware too.


Not only that, but there are some serious vulnerabilities specifically targeting applications on Mac. I remember an exploit that targeted Skype for Mac OS X that lead to remote code execution on the victim's computer.

Here is a list of vulnerabilities in Mac OS X. Though some of them are for OLDER versions (i.e. 10.6), that doesn't mean that other vulnerabilities don't exist in the wild. Blackhole Exploit Kit v.2 was released not too long ago with several 0 day exploits for various platforms, Mac included.

I personally use Clam AV's Mac version. I used to use Sophos until a security researcher found serious buffer overflow vulnerabilities in Sophos' code including their Free Mac AV. That was enough for me. Symantec makes a solid product if you don't mind paying for it. Also, make sure to activate the Mac Firewall and consider using disk encryption of some sort. While the firewall and disk encryption won't necessarily STOP malware, the firewall will at least offer some protection. Other firewall applications are available too.

For safer web browsing over SSL, consider FireFox and HTTPS everywhere extension which forces HTTPS for all sights that have it, and offers private browsing. Feel free to mail me if you want more suggestions. If I can find the time, I'll even make a demo video of me hacking into Mac OS X in my penetration testing lab. Or, just search YouTube, there's plenty of examples.

You might want to research Mac Malware. Here's one recent article that came about on 12-03-12. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57556939-83/new-mac-malware-spreading-from-dalai-lama-tribute-site/
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#10 - 2012-12-18 02:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
I've been running Macs since 1995, with no machines suffering from Malware. The machines I use at the office have Symantec AV installed, and in the last three months I've had to reboot the system twice due to the AV system stalling while I was trying to log in. So in my case, having AV installed on a Mac only reduces the security and reliability of the system.

As for filtering viruses so you don't pass them along to your Windows using friends: first, I don't participate in "forward this to 10 friends in three minutes or you will die" chain spam, so between me not blindly following the directions in spam mail, and only forwarding attachments on that I know are safe, my Windows using friends have nothing to fear.

All/most of the existing malware for Mac OS X takes the form of Trojans: software that you must install in order for the malware to work. Thankfully Apple has removed Java and Flash from default installs of Mac OS X, so you don't have to worry about those two vulnerabilities any longer.

I prefer to avoid AV software simply because when the AV software breaks there is a significant risk of breaking the installed OS.
Echo Belly
#11 - 2012-12-26 18:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Echo Belly
People usually say macs don't have viruses because compared to windows machines that get viruses just by staying online without doing anything, mac OS is based on UNIX so it's way more secure, stable and reliable.

Also, as Mara Rinn said, anti-virus software is kind of heavy and in a way it's some kind of relic from the windows world which means most of the time it will slow your machine down, freeze it or crash it... which is what you usually don't want when you use a mac. And they never protect you against the newest viruses anyway.


That being said if you download a lot of "experimental" programs from suspicious websites, then yes you probably should have some form of anti-virus software.

Personally i've been using macs for almost 10 years and i've never had the beginning of a problem with a possible virus.


*edit* didn't realize the original post was so old, i should check this forum more often d:
Dust Unknown
Unknown Purpose
#12 - 2012-12-27 13:16:52 UTC
No, you do not need an Anti-Virus program on a Mac.

What you do need is the same as on every platform: Caution.
- Reduce infection vectors: Disable Java in your browser if you don't need it. (Apple did that by default after the FlashBack wave earlier this year.) Disable Flash for pages you don't need. (NoScript Plugin in Firefox can be used to whitelist pages like Youtube that require it). Same with JavaScript if you want to be really paranoid :)
- Don't download Software from untrusted sources. OS X Lion/Mountain Lion come with GateKeeper, which can help with that part a bit. But of course it's not perfect. Many developers don't yet bother to sign their software. (EVE Online for example is not signed)
- Don't run services you don't need. A router with NAT and Firewall can be useful if you want to provide local services.
- And most important: Keep your software up-to-date. This is very important for Programs that deal with the evil outside, such as web browsers or web browser plugins.

OS X has a simple signature based virus scanner built in, but it has no user interface and does not need to be enabled. It is probably mostly useless because it only detects old viruses (like any virus scanner), for which the infection vectors have already been closed.
Brock Annages
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-28 02:24:28 UTC
Bottom line, if you're not sure, don't get in bed with them, if you do and you're still not sure, use a condom, if you get my meaning. Plain and simple.
Jet Fuel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-02 21:38:03 UTC
There aren't as many Mac viruses as windows but they are still out there. Same rules apply, don't open strange email attachments. Be skeptical whenever a program asks for admin access. Stuff like that. But as far as needing an anti-virus, no I don't think you need it as much as windows users do so long as you are careful. But be warned, the more popular Macs become the more likely viruses will be released for them and Macs have been getting more popular the last few years so don't let your guard down.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-01-04 01:19:18 UTC
The short answer is "No". There are NO viruses for Mac OS X in the wild and even if there were they can't do anything more than hose your profile due to the way the FreeBSD UNIX underpinnings are setup.

Windows was not designed from the ground up to be secure and as such is full of security holes that virus writers exploit which they can't on UNIX based operating systems including Mac OS X.

There are however certain malware that can affect Mac OS X but these are NOT Mac OS X specific as they are Java and Flash vulnerabilities so they are in fact cross platform.

There are safeguards however built into Mac OS X if you are running Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Sandboxing of apps is now a requirement for Mac App Store applications which means at worst you trash an application not the whole system. GateKeeper by default is set to only allow signed applications and applications bought on the Mac App Store to run.

In fact what most people don't realise is that Mac OS X already includes a virus checker it's just hidden from the user.

The only reason you need to have a virus checker installed on your Mac is to protect your Windows using friends plain and simple.