Ships & Modules

Feel free to voice your opinions over how the new tier 3 BCs should be balanced and some ideas for how they might be set up (in terms of slot layouts, bonuses, etc).

Please direct any trolling, goon hate or general QQ to the myriad of QQ threads about the tier 3 BCs in the general discussion section and try to keep this thread constructive.

and ill take a first stab at how I think the new BCs should be set up.

Tornado - 6/6/5 slot layout, 6 turret hardpoints, projectile gunship, 30m^3 dronebay 30mb bandwidth, like a cane but sacrificing its highslot utility for firepower, intended to shield tank.

Should be able to squeeze 800mm ACs on in a typical pvp fit with a modest tank and tackle, or 650 ACs in a heavy tanked fit, or 1200 arty with a modest tank and sebo/TC, or 1400 arty in an instalocking glass cannon (like an instacane but better).

Bonuses, 5% large projectile damage and 10% large projectile falloff per level.


Gallente BC - 6/5/6 slot layout, 6 turret hardpoints, hybrid gunship, 75m^3 dronebay 50mb bandwidth, can shield or armor tank like the myrmidon but aside from that is pretty much like a brutix on roids.

Should be able to fit ions/350 rails with a modest tank and tackle, electrons/dual 250 rails with a heavy tank, or neutrons/425 rails as a glass cannon.

Bonuses, 5% large hybrid damage and 7.5% large hybrid tracking per level, additional role bonus to reduce the capcitor need of large hybrids.


Amarr BC - 6/4/7 slot layout, 6 turret hardpoints, laser gunship, 50m^3 dronebay 25mb bandwidth, like a harbinger but sacrifices utility for firepower, intended to armor tank

Should be able to fit mega pulses with a modest tank and tackle, smaller BS pulses with a heavy tank, mega beams as a glass cannon, and tachyons only with a bunch of ACR rigs and RCUs.

Bonuses, 5% large energy turret damage and 10% large energy turret optimal range per level, additional role bonus to reduce the capcitor need of large energy turrets.


Caldari BC - 5/7/5, 5 launcher hardpoints, missile boat, 25m^3 dronebay 25mb bandwidth, intended to shield tank, more like a baby raven than a drake on roids.

Should be able to fit a modest tank with cruise missiles and torpedos as a glass cannon.

Bonuses, 5% to cruise missile or torpedo damage, 10% to cruise missile or torpedo velocity per level

The Tornado should not get a damage bonus. It should get a RoF bonus. If you give it a damage bonus, you've created a battlecruiser with the alpha damage of a Tempest -- which is definitely not a good thing. This ship class is already poised to replace every other suicide gank platform in existence. Don't make it worse.

Likewise, if you're trying to make a miniature-raven, the Caldari BC should be RoF bonus'd. Capless weapon platforms perform nicely with RoF bonuses anyway.

These new BCs also glaringly show the huge disparity in fitting requirements for weapons.

Tachyon Beams are hard enough to fit on an abbadon, they would pretty much be a non-option for the new BC. Same story with the new gallente BC and 425 rails you need at least a PDS to put a full rack of 425 rails on a megathron and fit any sort of tank.

Also shows the lack of variety in large missiles. With the turret ships I would envision using the smaller size BS guns (i.e. electron blasters, 650 autocannons, whatever the smaller size of BS lasers is) to make room for a decent tank on the new BCs. Caldari dont have that option, its cruise or torp ... period.

Well these new BCs should be rolled out with newly fixed hybrids.

but the weapon fitting vs ship PG/CPU disparites still exist (though may get fixed by the hybrid rebalance)

gallente ships still have the 2nd worst CPU (only better than amarr) and 2nd worst PG (only better than caldari) but hybrids have the 2nd highest fitting requirements for both PG (only lasers use more grid) and CPU (only missiles use more cpu and even there its close, torp launchers are the only BS weapon that uses more CPU than 425 rails)

by comparison minmatar have the 2nd highest CPU (only behind caldari), and 2nd highest powergrid (only behind amarr) but projectiles are the easist fitting weapons in the game.

yeah that's what we need is another command link platform

The large weapons do pose some problems, as mentioned earlier, 6 800mm autos with a damage bonus and you have a more nimble, cheaper Tempest. it'd make the BS redundant

So I'd like to see say 3-5 BS weapons on the new BC's, and to make it a little more unique not just flat damage/tank bonus, but something to add some flavour to each one.

for example in the case of Gallente

4-5 Turret slots
Either 7.5% tracking or 5% damage per level
then something different like a Warp Scram range bonus, or MWD cap reduction just something different
Maybe a 5/5/6 layout.

or Minmatar

3-4 Turret slots 1-2 Missile
Either 5% damage or 5% ROF
then something like Web range bonus, or a speed bonus or something
5/6/5 layout

Who knows.

The reason no one uses these modules on t1 BCs is because they have stupidly high fitting requirements relative to the ships while requiring allot of cap to run, aka fail. Gang Links are BROKEN at the moment and pretty much have been since their conception years ago. Off grid afk gang boosters is such a ****** dumb concept it's not even funny anymore...

The entire "Gang Link" system needs a conceptual re-write if we as players want something more involved than pressing f1 through f3 and going afk at a pos for 5 hours...

No, the reason no one uses them on BC's is because their infinitely better on alts in offgrid t3's than on a BC - more links, more bonuses, less damage. Fix the offgrid business, and you will see them used more in BC roaming gangs.

Well the obvious bonus they all get is some break on turret and launcher fitting requirements - think stealth bomber.

A maxed out stealth bomber - all gank no tank , faction ballistics , t2 rage torps, DPS rigs and implants will deliver a bit over 815 DPS at 54km range.

Think along those lines when you think BC's with BS guns :)