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Rat droppings are just not what they used to be...
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Copper Rei
Copper Corp
Aggressively Passive Bears
#1 - 2012-12-05 04:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Copper Rei
H-sec ratting in missions, belts, anoms, DED and other is getting to be worthless.

Drops need to be increased and not just scrap metal.

The frequency of drops in npc wrecks is horribly out of balance from the rest of eve space.

Typical h-sec rats drop something in 1 of 10 wrecks and usually it is valued under 10k isk.

Null sec rats seem to drop 7 of 10 wrecks and are valued over 1 mil.

Radar sites are getting to be where they contain items in 1 of 5 containers and have much less value.

It is getting very difficult for people who are new to EVE to consider exploration as a viable career.

I am very tired of training, fitting, scanning, running sites...only to have it cost more in ammo than the drops are worth.

It would be nice if they rebalanced the drop tables especially now that the 1/10 and 2/10 farming will be reduced.

People have to start somewhere in EVE until they get to understand the mechanics of things....h-sec is usually the place.

This is not so much a complaint as a plea.....
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-05 05:18:43 UTC
Exploration is broken?

CCP nerfed random drops with their latest patch?

:|
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#3 - 2012-12-05 08:50:48 UTC
uh random loot is random?

finding exactly the same mix of yay and crap
Larloch TheAncient
Freindly Mining Corporation
#4 - 2012-12-06 20:10:22 UTC
Random is random good sir, with the New AI we lost a Legion to a plex, 1.2M drop from the faction spawn.


I didn't even pick it up.


Random is random and that is typically how exploration works. In fact I'd argue that combat sites aren't nearly as profitable as Mag sites.


I've had bad experiences with Radar sites.


And I slap myself when I get a grav site.


But I've seen 300M drops several times a day in Mag sites in Null sec.
Copper Rei
Copper Corp
Aggressively Passive Bears
#5 - 2012-12-06 23:03:06 UTC
Null sec and l-sec are not the question. I did show that 7 of 10 wrecks dropped loot worth an average of 1M excluding the bounty.
The issue is with h-sec rats.
The costs of ships and fits has risen but the loots have dropped.
I understand that it is best for profits to have players move into null sec but I don't think that new players are able to do that when they cannot afford ships, fits, skillbooks for the basic things.
I recently started a new alt to begin the process from scratch with no assistance from my main. I wanted a fresh perspective on what it takes to run basic h-sec anoms with starter skills.
It is much more dificult that in the past.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#6 - 2012-12-07 06:23:36 UTC
Copper Rei wrote:
[snip] h-sec anoms with starter skills. [snip]


The chance for faction spawns and/or escalations from anomalies is very very low. The few normal rats in highsec anomalies don't really make it worthwile to run them, the same can be said for lowsec anomalies (i think). Now in nullsec people can farm anomalies and just live by the generated bounties - they take the occasional faction spawn as a bonus and maybe run the occasional expedition or sell the location to other people.

Instead of focusing on anomalies as a young player, you can actually start probing and using codebreakers within like 2 days of training. IMO this is way better than farming anomalies.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-07 07:04:06 UTC
Yeah lowsec anoms were really dreary, I can't remember what ticks I was getting, but you'd probably get better ISK doing L3s or L4s in highsec (without even taking into account having to run away from people trying to violence your boat or losing ships)