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Raven and Caldari Navy Raven Skill Plan Whats Missing and What To Take Out ?
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Xwj
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-23 02:00:22 UTC
Hi all

I started the game a week ago and I'm just about to get in to a Caracal I have my skills planned for my drake. After thta I'm looking to get in to a Raven and then a CNR I have a set of skill planned in EveMon but i think some of the skills are not needed and some of the skills I'm missing could you guys take a look and tell me if I'm missing any or I should take away skills that are not helpful.

Raven:

Caldari Frigate IV
Caldari Cruiser I
Caldari Cruiser II
Caldari Cruiser III
Caldari Cruiser IV
Electronics IV
Electronics V
Electronics Upgrades II
Electronics Upgrades III
Electronics Upgrades IV
Electronics Upgrades V
Energy Grid Upgrades III
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Energy Management IV
Energy Systems Operation IV
Energy Systems Operation V
Engineering IV
Engineering V
Evasive Maneuvering III
Heavy Missiles III
Hull Upgrades IV
Long Range Targeting III
Long Range Targeting IV
Mechanics IV
Missile Launcher Operation IV
Missile Launcher Operation V
Cruise Missiles I
Cruise Missiles II
Cruise Missiles III
Cruise Missiles IV
Navigation IV
Shield Compensation I
Shield Compensation II
Shield Compensation III
Shield Management IV
Shield Operation IV
Shield Operation V
Shield Upgrades IV
Signature Analysis IV
Spaceship Command IV
Caldari Battleship I
Caldari Battleship II
Tactical Shield Manipulation II
Targeting V
Multitasking I
Torpedoes I
Torpedoes II
Warp Drive Operation III
Weapon Upgrades III
Weapon Upgrades IV


CNR:

Raven skills + the list below

Missile Bombardment III
Missile Bombardment IV
Target Navigation Prediction III
Target Navigation Prediction IV
Rapid Launch III
Rapid Launch IV
Missile Projection I
Missile Projection II
Torpedoes III
Torpedoes IV
Drones III
Combat Drone Operation I
Combat Drone Operation II
Combat Drone Operation III
Target Painting I
Launcher Rigging II
Launcher Rigging III
Launcher Rigging IV
Scout Drone Operation II
Scout Drone Operation III
Scout Drone Operation IV
Scout Drone Operation V
Drones IV
Drones V
Gallente Drone Specialization I

Help Would be great as I've tried to import from EFT but it does not tell me what supporting skills I need so I will be able to fly the **** with the fittings but it will be the bare minimum and i will probs get popped !

Xwj
palmer1r
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#2 - 2012-11-23 02:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: palmer1r
I would look into these skills:

Combat Drones V
Drone Durablity IV
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Nav V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing IV (is more for range than actual e-war use atm)
Gallente Drone Interfacing IV (Hobgoblin II's ftw)
Launcher Rigging V
palmer1r
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#3 - 2012-11-23 03:01:23 UTC
Also get Caldari Battleship to atleast IV, II will not cut it
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-11-23 04:38:19 UTC
Well, for starters, you're not going to be using torps on a Raven (or CNR). So drop those for now.

I'd agree with the previous poster on all but Launcher Rigging 5, which, why? It makes a difference on marginal fits but hopefully you can sub in a co-proc until you absolutely know you need it. Definitely get all listed drone skills though.

You're missing a laundry list of missile supports. I'd get every support skill the in category to 3 before stepping into a BS-sized missile chucker. Guided Missile Precision should be priority to 4.

Oh, and take Weapon Upgrades to 5 to open up Advanced Weapon Upgrades -- which should then go to 4 rather quickly. Lots of additional fitting options that way.
Xwj
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-11-23 13:41:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xwj
hey thanks guys i will add them to the list :D

What are all the missile support skills under in the certificates of evemon, which heading ?
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-23 14:02:11 UTC
Xwj wrote:
hey thanks guys i will add them to the list :D

What are all the missile support skills under in the certificates of evemon, which heading ?


To name a few

Guided Missile Precision
Missile Bombardment
Missile Projection
Rapid Launch


...and for the life of me, i cant remember the rest..
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-11-23 14:51:25 UTC
Xwj wrote:
hey thanks guys i will add them to the list :D

What are all the missile support skills under in the certificates of evemon, which heading ?


The Missile Control certificate. It looks like you have most of them listed under the CNR skills but you should have those for the regular raven too.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#8 - 2012-11-23 15:04:41 UTC
You will want Tactical Shield Manipulation IV for the T2 Hardners.

Insurance V for the first couple Ravens.
And share missions with a wingmate until you know you can solo them.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#9 - 2012-11-26 18:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
As far as the missile support skills go;
Of course missile launcher operation to 5
Guided missile precision< great skill but needs MLO to 5
Missile bombardment
Missile projection
Rapid launch
Target navigation prediction
Warhead upgrades

They are all as key skills for the drake and for the raven or CNR. Get them all too at least 3 before even starting on your raven skills. With these skills trained to 4 a Drake with T2 launchers will out DPS a poorly fit/skilled battleship.

Should all be to at least 4 before ever flying a CNR.

PS;
Just to make sure, as some one else already said, weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades 4 under the gunnery skills are a must. They reduce the fitting costs of all launchers not just turrets. You will need all the CPU/PG you can get to fit a decent tank while maxing your DPS.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#10 - 2012-11-27 21:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
so to be clear, I am in same as OP here
my plan is to get standard certificate of Core Competency and Combat Drone control. however, I am not sure which is more important for Raven, Core Competency or Combat Drone?

for missile and shield part. I have improved Certificate of Missile Control with Basic Battleship Missile Control. And Shield has Improved on Active/passive shield with standard shield reinforcement. So I feel that it is sufficient for mission runner. (I yet to have access to l4 mission)
Tendra Rockbuster
Agentes in rebus
#11 - 2012-12-03 06:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tendra Rockbuster
unidenify wrote:
so to be clear, I am in same as OP here
my plan is to get standard certificate of Core Competency and Combat Drone control. however, I am not sure which is more important for Raven, Core Competency or Combat Drone?

for missile and shield part. I have improved Certificate of Missile Control with Basic Battleship Missile Control. And Shield has Improved on Active/passive shield with standard shield reinforcement. So I feel that it is sufficient for mission runner. (I yet to have access to l4 mission)


Both. If you don't have your core skills, you're going to run out of cap or won't be able to fit things due to lack of PG/CPU etc...core skills overall are needed to make you function no matter what you're flying and the effect of lacking in them is exacerbated in a battleship compared to a drake or caracal.

If you don't have drone skills, when you fly into that level 4 mission, you'll shoot the battleships down, and the BC/cruiser rats (if you have guided missile precision and some rigor/flare rigs) but the frigates will slowly eat you up (or not so slowly depending on your engineering skills)

As far as the missile and shield skills that you have...basic battleship launcher control is cruise missiles 2 (and torps 2, but you're not shooting torps in a mission). You're going to want that higher. If you're going to make mission running your primary source of income, you're going to want to clear those missions quickly, and forsaking 15% cruise missile damage (aside from the added dps of cruise missile specialization, which I would put at least 3 points into) is counter to that point.

Missile Control (improved) is fine, and Active Shield Tanking (improved) is good as well. Shield reinforcement is not needed for active modules, since it doesn't do anything to them when they are running.
Velarra
#12 - 2012-12-06 19:35:23 UTC
In post-retribution new eden, you may want to seriously consider Drone Durability V.
Hae Sung
#13 - 2012-12-06 20:38:22 UTC
Velarra wrote:
In post-retribution new eden, you may want to seriously consider Drone Durability V.


From testing yesterday and today with my CNR, this isn't bad advice at all. If you end up using light drones, they WILL get chewed up by frigates very quickly. You may find it worthwhile to invest in the skills to use mediums - which so far have been mainly ignored by the frigates in missions.
Dracan02
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#14 - 2012-12-07 01:53:43 UTC


Raven:

Caldari Frigate IV
Caldari Cruiser IV
Electronics V
Electronics Upgrades IV
Electronics Upgrades V
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Energy Management IV
Energy Systems Operation V
Engineering V
Evasive Maneuvering III (should be 4)
Heavy Missiles III
Hull Upgrades IV
Long Range Targeting IV
Mechanics IV
Missile Launcher Operation V
Cruise Missiles IV
Navigation IV
Shield Compensation III (should be 4)
Shield Management IV
Shield Operation IV
Shield Operation V
Shield Upgrades IV
Signature Analysis IV
Spaceship Command IV
Caldari Battleship II (should be 4)
Tactical Shield Manipulation II (should be 4, never take it to 5 tho as it will actually reduce your real ehp)
Targeting V
Multitasking I (not needed)
Torpedoes II
Warp Drive Operation III (you don't really need this)
Weapon Upgrades IV


CNR:

Raven skills + the list below
Missile Bombardment IV
Target Navigation Prediction IV
Rapid Launch IV
Missile Projection I
Missile Projection II (should be 4)
Torpedoes IV
Drones V
Combat Drone Operation III (should be 4)
Target Painting I (should be 4)
Launcher Rigging IV
Scout Drone Operation V
Gallente Drone Specialization I (should be 4)


if you really want to fly a half billion isk fitted ship take some time and get the extra levels on your skills. Also as a rule of thumb if it's bigger then a cruiser it should be t2/meta4 fit or better, this is because you are already investing a fair bit of isk so you might as well go all the way and protect your investment.
Never fly what you cannot afford to lose