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Omen or Maller after retri?
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Darman Saresh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-01 18:36:16 UTC
hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#2 - 2012-12-01 18:57:14 UTC
Darman Saresh wrote:
hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution?


DPS > all - so probably the omen.
Bryperium
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-12-01 21:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bryperium
Maeltstome wrote:
Darman Saresh wrote:
hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution?


DPS > all - so probably the omen.



This is true of course, though they do the same paper dps come retribution

Maller- Resist bonus

Omen- Higher base speed, cap usage bonus.

I just went ahead and checked eft , the new maller has similar issues to the abaddon when attempting to run missions, while the omen is happily ab'ing around in near cap-stability.

Edit: it's worth noting that i have not run a level 2 mission in around 2 years now, and i don't recall if incoming dps was an issue. If not, the higher base speed & agility of the omen with a minimal tank and 2-3 heat sinks is probably going to pull ahead.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-12-02 01:04:17 UTC
Solo Omen

Fleet probably Maller


They are both incredibly MEH though.

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Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-02 01:20:49 UTC
If your going to do level 2s in an Amaar cruiser, go omen. I've done some of the less crazy lvl 3s with a navy omen, and it's lot of fun. Also note that my overall skills for a well fit omen are, mediocre at best, and yet I can still pull off some of the lvl 3s. If you really want to fly a maller go for it, but I have no advice for you with that one.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#6 - 2012-12-02 02:05:57 UTC
Firestorm Delta wrote:
If your going to do level 2s in an Amaar cruiser, go omen. I've done some of the less crazy lvl 3s with a navy omen, and it's lot of fun. Also note that my overall skills for a well fit omen are, mediocre at best, and yet I can still pull off some of the lvl 3s. If you really want to fly a maller go for it, but I have no advice for you with that one.

This. More so ofc with good gunnery skills.

Navy Omen is just pure fun.

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Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#7 - 2012-12-02 03:56:55 UTC
...and Maller will be out of cap painfully quickly.

Omen all the way ;)

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#8 - 2012-12-02 09:42:52 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
They are both incredibly MEH though.


I disagree. Omen is pretty good in my opinion for a T1 cruiser. 450 DPS and 35K tank, versus a Maller with 320DPS and 45K tank.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-02 09:51:13 UTC
Maller:
- better tank (you can use same 3-slot tank you'd use in Abaddon: repairer + 2x mission specific active hardener)
- one utility low slot for something else, like TE
- better dps (5x HPL vs Omen's 5x FMPL) with 2 heat sinks
- cap stable without repairer running

Omen:
- better speed
- better tracking with FMPLs (since you can't fit HPLs, AB, web and repairer without compromises)
- cap stable without repairer running

This is of course with 5% gun cap use, rof, damage implants.
Bryperium
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-12-02 14:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bryperium
Trinkets friend wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
They are both incredibly MEH though.


I disagree. Omen is pretty good in my opinion for a T1 cruiser. 450 DPS and 35K tank, versus a Maller with 320DPS and 45K tank.


This

I think alot of people have not actually gone and looked at their updated slot layout and fitting resources. I had a dual propped maller with ~40k ehp and 500 dps at one point, which was not bad for a 15 mil isk hull imo

Anyways for omen missioning, i'd think something like this will work well,

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II * 5

Ammo Types
T1
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Imperial Navy Standard M
Imperial Navy Microwave M

T2
Scorch M
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Conflagration M (shoot structures, turrets, other big things)

30km range, 300 dps with scorch, 14 km, 500 dps with conflag. 711 m/s AB. Cap holds for 3.5 minutes which should be enough if you pulse the repper and keep the AB running.

This is a tad (1%) over PG limit, but im assuming you don't have t2 guns, so the fitting should be fine. (and wont be flying l2's in an omen by the time you do). If you have t2 guns (and associated fitting skills) a cheap PG implant should do the trick.
g/l

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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#11 - 2012-12-03 15:02:15 UTC
Far as I remember, the Maller has no drones. Therefore, i'd go Omen for level 2s, just in case you have trouble tracking those frigates.

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Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2012-12-03 15:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
MisterNick wrote:
Far as I remember, the Maller has no drones. Therefore, i'd go Omen for level 2s, just in case you have trouble tracking those frigates.

Maller will have 3 Drones with Ret.

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The old Omen with an 800mm Plate, MWD, 5 Focused Pulse II's, 2 Trimarks and 1 ACR moved 1275m/s, had about 340 DPS and 20k EHP. What Trinket said in comparison new Omen has about 35% more tank, 20% more DPS and moves 1550m/s. It is worlds apart from the old Omen.

In comparison to the Maller the Maller can match the Omens DPS with Heavy Pulse Laser and has a greater tank but moves around 300m/s slower, less Tracking / Drone Frigate Defense and less Capacitor. With Focused Pulse it can get around 60-75% more Tank but does less Dmg is still slower and has less cap.

For a Shield fit it can be done with the Omen but it caps fast, has less tank ships with more mids. It's Heavy Pulse Opt is Warp Disruptor Rang though. 20k EHP, 1900m/s, 445 DPS Scorch / Warriors, 2min everything running with 2 CPR. Loose those and you can double Nano with a min of cap.

I think I will fly the Armor Skirmish Omen most, I prefer to Armor fit my Armor Cruiser and leave Shield to other ships.

For missions I would go Omen. You don't need the extra tank and the Omen is easier on Cap and has good Dmg.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#13 - 2012-12-03 15:43:40 UTC
Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS.

Anyone who armor fits it is a fool
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-12-03 16:11:25 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS.

Anyone who armor fits it is a fool


Armour tanked Fleet Stabber is best Stabber. Running away is for planet dwellers.
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#15 - 2012-12-03 16:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Mayhem
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS.

Anyone who armor fits it is a fool


Wrong. Shield Omen, while has great DPS, will cap out in 1min.

The best fit I could come up is such, and looks pretty good TBH.
Speed: 1948 m/s
DPS: 432@26km
Cap-stable

Quote:
[Omen, pvp armor kiting Foc.Med.]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Energy Burst Aerator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2


Stabber is 500 m/s faster but has only 180 DPS at 24km. Shield Omen (1 nano) is 200 m/s faster and has 500 DPS, but as mentioned above does not have any cap.

Another alternative is to put medium rep instead of plate and medium cap booster instead of small, overheated it will rep 2760 armor per minute which is a bit lower than plate but better for prolonged encounters or deep in 0.0.


EDIT: active fit has the same speed as shield fit, so overall it might be better than 800mm plate.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#16 - 2012-12-03 19:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Solomar Espersei
ONI is already a pretty good ship so I'm excited about the new redesigned Omen. Maller should be fun too. The smaller drone bay though is still an issue in my opinion. Particularly if Amarr are to be considered the #2 drone race.

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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-03 23:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
Back to the OP's question.

Doing it in an Omen would be fun (it looks coolerBig smile), but for pve you'll need an active tank and you'll get better results from the Maller with it's resist bonus. Cap is an issue in pvp where you'll have a mwd fitted. For pve you can use an ab. Although it's been suggested that you fit hmpl's, you may be better off with fmpl's, especially if your fitting skills aren't strong yet. The dps difference isn't that much. In fact often with lasers, deciding which ones to fit is more a question of range vs tracking vs cap, not eft dps figures.

The biggest thing the Omen has going for it is a full flight of drones for killing frigs. Personally I would just spend the time practising getting good shots with the Maller. It'll put you in good stead later on if you decide to pvp.


Mail me in game if you want some fits.
Ohto Pach
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-12-06 09:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ohto Pach
Arbitrator. Even after Retribution Amarr still only has a single cruiser that isn't completely overshadowed by the other races' alternatives in most realistic scenarios. Then again, why would you fly an Amarr sub-BS T1 hull anyhows?

Edit: Oh, I didn't realize OP was talking about missions. I was thinking PVPwise.
Decimus Wrex
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-12-06 16:57:47 UTC
For missions? Neither. Get some good drone skills and fly an Arbitrator. Easy mode.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-06 18:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
I've done a considerable amount of level 2s and even level 3s in the new Omen, so that would be my pick. The ship is surprisingly sturdy for an attack cruiser, tbh. Frankly, right now I like it more than even the Arbitrator (no, it doesn't have to do with the AI, it has to do with Omen pulling off more dps).
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