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Don't see the point in changing this mechanic. It's fine as is.

Do I really need to give an explanation? If so, then this is better suited for the F&I forums than the Assembly Hall. I'm simply expressing my "yey" or "ney" vote here.

I think he quite clearly stated his views. I happen to agree with him.


I think a good point was made earlier in theis thread:

you can always place a bounty on them :/ not supported it has been this way forever

Get a corpmate to fly a Blackbird. Even if the hostile corpie is fitted to the brim with ECCM, a Blackbird fitted entirely with ECM is going to land a jam cycle against a single target.


If your combat abilities are really that lacking, then the plan should not be to "take him down" but to stall him so everyone else can get away safely. Then kick him from corp.


There is no abuse. It's your corp and your assets. YOU are supposed protect it. Not the game.

Beyond this... being in a corp has always been about "tradeoffs." Creating a corp give you the ability to set up a corp hanger and a POS... but you open yourself up to War Decs. You have the capacity to let in who you want, when you want and no one can force you to do otherwise... but that means that those you do allow in gain the ability to be hostile towards you if they so wish (which actually encourages people to be nice to each other, lest someone in corp gets mad and decides to do something about it).

I'll take these one by one I suppose.



This tactic is a possibility, Albeit a remote possibility. You are suggesting that upon seeing a Battleship warp into our asteroid field (or on top of us if they merit a fleet invite), we will have time to switch ships? I find it unlikely, considering they are piloting freaking mining barges, it will take them at least 20 seconds to get back to a station. If we kept them inside the Orca, this would involve ejecting from their ships and trying to switch as quickly as possible to the already drowning Orca. Even if they respond immediately to this, which is unlikely high sec miners will be adrenaline pumped and watching every second with their hands on the ejection button ready to go, I still doubt this plan will work.

I'll go further more, I have never seen Orcas use in such a way, ever. Small scale or large. Doesn't seem like a realistic job for an abuse that will only occur a -very- small percentage of the time.

Perhaps already having a ECM boat there for the soul purpose of ratting and guarding could be, but I doubt a small operation would merit the loyalty or attention of such a guard, and would most likely get a BS to do the plan he was supposed to prevent. In all honesty, why shouldn't we? We need him there to prevent this from happening, admitting he is the only thing stopping anyone in Corp from doing this... why wouldn't he do it himself again?



ECM drones are a better option and likely to be held by the Orca pilot as well as potentially other miners. I approve of this option and will implement it on the off chance I ever get in this situation. They aren't going to be 100% effective, but its better than nothing.



If I am ignoring these suggestions it is because they:

- Don't justify the need to continue working around a mechanic that serves no one. There are a lot of ways to get revenge in the galaxy, Corp killing doesn't need to be one of them.
- Are not realistic or defeat having the system. Having multiple Corporations to maintain safety? The system should not be so terrible I need to have multiple corporations. The fact anyone does this is a cry for reform.
- Convey that despite all the other ways pilots can expect loss in the universe, this one should be kept too.

I am not crying that the universe is a harsh place, I expect it to be. However this mechanic in Corporations is one that does not need to exist and easily rectified. There must be countless other ways to "get back" at a corporation you hated. Maybe join another one, try to take it down any other way. But allowing free kills on Industrials just before getting kicked from Corp is stupid.

You will keep listing them I'm sure but I think everything said so far comes down to "Well.. we like it that way. Hasn't hurt us so far. Learn to live with it."

I'm speaking up for those that don't want to keep working around this for little reason.

First post all week that's meant anything to me. Thank you for your input.

Though I've never lost an Orca, and I still think the mechanic should be changed, at least someone's experiences might help shape recruitment policy.

I disagree with your assessment of the situation, yet am willing to discuss it rationally and without trolling or petty insults.

I can't tell you why every highsec corpmate ganker does it, only why I do it. Their motivations are as many as the bricks in the wall. I do it because it's easy. I tried the lowsec piracy thing and found nobody for weeks. I was lucky to find a viable target, even luckier if I managed to land on the same grid as him. Those instances are extremely rare.

Predators go to where their prey is. They follow their food source. If there's nobody left in lowsec and the prey all moved to highsec, then that's where the predators go.

To further compound things, even after two "revamps", wardec mechanics are still just as broken as when they started. So how do you initiate a fight in highsec? There's can baiting, suicide ganking, wardecs, and there's corpmate on corpmate ganking. That's about it.

-Can baiting is pretty much gone. Sometimes you'll see it happen in mission sites when ninja salvagers steal loot. Jetcan mining is all but completely gone.
-Suicide ganking is very prevalent because the cost of your own ship is often outweighed by the cost of your targets ship and/or cargo.
-Wardecs are still broken because the aggressed corp simply joins DecShield, sheds off the wardec, quits the alliance and is back to business as usual. It's incredibly difficult and expensive to get a wardec to stick to your opponent when they can so easily evade it.

So what's left? Corpmate violence. It's the one sure method of PvP in highsec that isn't broken. It's becoming ever more common because other methods of highsec PvP are broken or obsolete. It's far cheaper than initiating a wardec over and over. It's cheaper than losing your ship to Concord. The griefer has the element of surprise and knows exactly what he's going up against.

If you really want to cut down the corpmate ganking, CCP would have to revamp the wardec mechanics a third time and this time needs to put someone else in charge. The employee who's in charge of wardec mechanics carries the pre-incarna attitude of thinking he knows everything and doesn't have to listen to anyone.

Then CCP would have to revamp lowsec to bring it purpose. Lowsec as it stands now has almost the same rewards as highsec yet it's risk is far higher. Lowsec is worthless to industry and mining corporations, prime targets for piracy. If the industry/mining corps won't go into lowsec, what reason do pirates have to stay?

To further iterate, Orcas can field some amazing tanking power if the pilot wished to. Before the nerf, I fought against an Orca that used dual ASB's and I could not break his tank. Since his cargohold was massive, I'd run out of ammo long before he ran out of cap charges.

Even with the nerf to ASB's, they can still tank pretty well. It's just that highsec pilots don't feel the need to do so. They're under the delusion that they're safe and untouchable. My autocannons disagree.

An Orca with several ECM modules in the mid slots can easily shut down a corpmate ganker. Hell, even fielding five ECM drones may do the trick. They can keep me off of his back long enough for him to align and warp away or call for aid.

A standard mining fleet of 5 to 20 members can easily tear apart a lone corp ganker if they were all at their keyboard and they all carried combat drones. 20 members each with 5 combat drones equals one hundred drones on one target. Very few ships can withstand that kind of pummeling.

The underlying problem isn't players unable to deal with this thread. It's that they're unwilling or too naive.

Works as intended. Be careful who you trust and who you **** off. Same thng as making a guy a director, then crying if he takes your stuff after you **** him off. You trusted them...your fault, not ccps.