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Petition to CCP for Drone Mechanics Revamp
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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-12-06 15:14:40 UTC
dexington wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Get over yourself and your **** crusade. You're openly opposing a feature that has absolutely negative attributes from it's being revamped/fixed.


don't be to hard on him, he is still adjusting to the fact they removed his favorite DED site, he is not thinking clearly.


Some of them cosmos sites would net you crazy amounts of isk, way more than I'd get running lvl 4 missions in high ;)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-06 15:16:28 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
dexington wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Get over yourself and your **** crusade. You're openly opposing a feature that has absolutely negative attributes from it's being revamped/fixed.


don't be to hard on him, he is still adjusting to the fact they removed his favorite DED site, he is not thinking clearly.


Some of them cosmos sites would net you crazy amounts of isk, way more than I'd get running lvl 4 missions in high ;)


i know, i quit running missions long ago... except for standing.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-06 15:21:07 UTC
Conar wrote:
* Personally, I would like to see drone boats being able to launch more than 5 drones. Why? Simple: variety and balance *

A long, long time ago..... We could launch more then 5 drones. The servers at the time could not handle the strain.


Yep, those are the good old days (pre-Trinity) that I want to see come back.

Back then, servers were much weaker, and there was no time dilation. Now, it should be possible to make drone boats actual DRONE boats once again without killing the servers with it.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#24 - 2012-12-06 15:31:29 UTC
Signed. Drones have been down on the "to-do" list for so long. Move it up! They're terrible!
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-12-06 15:38:58 UTC
We will never be flying more than 5 drones at a time. Not unless CCP's computing power and bandwidth drastically increases. Doubling the power of all ewar drones would be nice mind.
Epsilon Bathana
EPS Kings
#26 - 2012-12-06 15:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Epsilon Bathana
Signed

I think a number of changes can already be done very quickly with small efforts, like:

  1. Setting to change drone lauch order. As it is now (by displayed order??) or damage (%) on drone(no/low damaged first). Reduces launching of damaged, near death drones
  2. Indicators in Drones windows next to each launched drone (righthand side) if they are targeted (yellow), locked upon(red), webbed...
  3. Buttons in Drone window before each launched drone (left handside) for performing operations. At least recall to bay
  4. T2 drones proper T2 resist to better withstand current NPC onslaught on drones
  5. Drones not reducing speed when there are enemies around to reduce being damaged. Especially when idling between targets and for scout drones
  6. Display of HP for Drones in Bay (less important if first one has been done)
Hast Semah
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-12-06 15:49:27 UTC
Signed.

I support the ideas given in this thread.

I flew a Myrm, and as others have alluded, I've effectively lost about 50% of my dps.
Adapt? Yes, I've done that. Got a gun boat. It will take time to be as proficient with it as I was with my drone boat, given the heavy SP investment in drones.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-06 15:55:38 UTC
dexington wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
dexington wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Get over yourself and your **** crusade. You're openly opposing a feature that has absolutely negative attributes from it's being revamped/fixed.


don't be to hard on him, he is still adjusting to the fact they removed his favorite DED site, he is not thinking clearly.


Some of them cosmos sites would net you crazy amounts of isk, way more than I'd get running lvl 4 missions in high ;)


i know, i quit running missions long ago... except for standing.


You can get more standing faster just by bouncing round some NPC 0.0 systems in a stealth bomber.

jump to system, jump to belt, kill BS rat, jump to next system, repeat, after 20min return to first system.

Sec status "ticks" once every 20min per system on the largest rat destroyed.

So if you're running missions and you're constantly going to the same system to do them, it's only based on 1 BS rat every 20min.

Me in a SB, hopping round 5-10 systems every 20 min gets more sec status per 20min than you running missions.

Also stealth bombers are fun.
Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#29 - 2012-12-06 16:00:00 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
There are more important issues to fix, like nullsec, capital ships and POSes. A drone revamp is much needed, but not at the expense of those features.


I agree, nullsec really needs to be nerfed bigtime.

By their fruit you will recognize them.
Frogmorton Greenpad
tootcorp
#30 - 2012-12-06 16:03:26 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
[quote=Frogmorton Greenpad]
I must admit I have never seen so many pod flyers upset about one item from an update, read the vibes CCP please.


You clearly haven't been around very long.Shocked

Not with this toon , been here since the start.
But did take a break from 2007 with a 69 mill skill toon.
Not looking for a keyboard war- just trying to help ccp get things balanced and make our game better for all.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2012-12-06 16:06:21 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
dexington wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
dexington wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
Get over yourself and your **** crusade. You're openly opposing a feature that has absolutely negative attributes from it's being revamped/fixed.


don't be to hard on him, he is still adjusting to the fact they removed his favorite DED site, he is not thinking clearly.


Some of them cosmos sites would net you crazy amounts of isk, way more than I'd get running lvl 4 missions in high ;)


i know, i quit running missions long ago... except for standing.


You can get more standing faster just by bouncing round some NPC 0.0 systems in a stealth bomber.

jump to system, jump to belt, kill BS rat, jump to next system, repeat, after 20min return to first system.

Sec status "ticks" once every 20min per system on the largest rat destroyed.

So if you're running missions and you're constantly going to the same system to do them, it's only based on 1 BS rat every 20min.

Me in a SB, hopping round 5-10 systems every 20 min gets more sec status per 20min than you running missions.

Also stealth bombers are fun.


Security Status isn't "standings".
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-12-06 16:54:46 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Security Status isn't "standings".


ah, I missed a thingy, remind me what use standings are again?
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-06 16:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Drew Solaert
I really can't see why people are getting so up in arms about the drone changes, unless they are some of those lv4 AFK/Bot varmin.

It needs a slight adaptation to your play style. for example, launch the hob's once the elite frigs are ontop of you, then pull drones in and out *instantly* as needed. Yes you have to pay attention but its no different to volley counting with missiles. Remember those turrets on the top? start using them more. the Dominix with 350mm's does a far bit of DPS while the hobs are on the little things, the 350mm's should be ripping those cruisers a new one, after that its normal service resumed.

Job fecking done. Just you need to have focus now.

*Edit* Though yes, Drones do need some love I wouldn't put it up there as overly high on the agenda, they are fine.

I lied :o
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-12-06 17:05:18 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Security Status isn't "standings".


ah, I missed a thingy, remind me what use standings are again?


jump clones

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-06 17:12:40 UTC
dexington wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Security Status isn't "standings".


ah, I missed a thingy, remind me what use standings are again?


jump clones


That's what 0.0 alliances are for or rorquals
Othran
Route One
#36 - 2012-12-06 17:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
With the possible exception of sentries I've found drones too "untrustworthy/unwieldy" to use as a primary weapon system. Fighters/Bombers may be different, I have no real experience of using them.

Oh I'm talking about PvP not PVE but the same principle holds true - for multiple targets drones are too "high maintenance" to make them worthwhile as a primary weapons system when compared to the alternatives. There are no doubt exceptions to that for certain ships (Curse for example) but for the majority of people drones are a secondary "launch and forget" weapon system.

The drone mechanics need fixing and have done for a long long time. I suspect its code that is regarded with a sense of horror by CCP programmers and pretty much anything is preferable to working on the code Lol

As a MINIMUM I should be able to command the drones to fire at what I'm firing at, not what's firing at me/closest to them/in the right phase of the moon/whatever - AND they should do that, not wander off doing gods only know what Blink

I don't do missions but I'd like to see someone fix drones so they're reliable.
Titas Agor
TITANS OF PEACE
#37 - 2012-12-06 17:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Titas Agor
Drew Solaert wrote:
I really can't see why people are getting so up in arms about the drone changes, unless they are some of those lv4 AFK/Bot varmin.

It needs a slight adaptation to your play style. for example, launch the hob's once the elite frigs are ontop of you, then pull drones in and out *instantly* as needed. Yes you have to pay attention but its no different to volley counting with missiles. Remember those turrets on the top? start using them more. the Dominix with 350mm's does a far bit of DPS while the hobs are on the little things, the 350mm's should be ripping those cruisers a new one, after that its normal service resumed.

Job fecking done. Just you need to have focus now.

*Edit* Though yes, Drones do need some love I wouldn't put it up there as overly high on the agenda, they are fine.



Think you're missing the point of what most ppl would be upset about when it comes to the new changes, what your suggesting will be fine for a ship that actually has bonus's to drones, because you'll be able to kill things a lot faster then a boat that doens't have any bonus's to drones at all, so hop dropping drones out and pulling them is a much more viable strategy to a Domi then say a golem, using a golem on a mission now thanks to these changes is almost impossible because there is no way, for just an example, a Torp Golem to hit any small ship that orbits within 7k or so, and you cannot launch and pull dones in quick enough to do any real damage to the small targets, like you say, you have to adapt your playstyle which is fine, but this change will alienate the use of a lot of ships in my opinion....

the change to the AI to be more along the lines of sleeps is great, watching them switch targets and warp scrambling and all that, but i dont think having every single NPC hate drones so much its their priority target every single time you launch them is a bit much for regular missions and high sec ded spaces... (yes, couldn't care less about null sec and low sec.. talking about hi sec funtions here)
Meera Delonier
The Evocati
#38 - 2012-12-06 18:02:09 UTC
The have tried to "fix" null sec more times then i can count each time making it somewhat better, then nerfing the crap out of it...
to then make the changes worse.

POS's have been broken since 2006... they have known this... 6-7 years later its an issue?

Drones have needed a revamp ever since they took our 25 drone Vexor away and gave us 5 stronger ones that where dumber... Wasnt even that long ago they finally gave us a hotkey option for drones... after how many years? (drones are the last to be touched ever.. and one of the first to be nerfed)

The new dev's havent been around long enough to grasp the general problems or they just dont care and do what they feel like doing anyway. i miss the old guard who walked out in protest after CCP Aur money grab and pushed broken patch... short-sightedness seems to be the moto these days.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-12-07 14:31:26 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
I really can't see why people are getting so up in arms about the drone changes, unless they are some of those lv4 AFK/Bot varmin.

It needs a slight adaptation to your play style. for example, launch the hob's once the elite frigs are ontop of you, then pull drones in and out *instantly* as needed. Yes you have to pay attention but its no different to volley counting with missiles. Remember those turrets on the top? start using them more. the Dominix with 350mm's does a far bit of DPS while the hobs are on the little things, the 350mm's should be ripping those cruisers a new one, after that its normal service resumed.

Job fecking done. Just you need to have focus now.

*Edit* Though yes, Drones do need some love I wouldn't put it up there as overly high on the agenda, they are fine.


This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with the NPC AI changes. You need to go back and read the original post and drop the assumptions at the "reply" button.

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as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#40 - 2012-12-07 14:40:27 UTC
I will petition - NOT to have it revamped.
Working as intended, maybe Drone Pilots need to start working as intended also.

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