EVE General Discussion

Wow, that's a miscommunication on our part, my apologies.

So the sleepers have a certain template that makes them more difficult than other NPCs. We've taken some of those components and applied them as a minimum standard to the rest of the NPCs. Those NPCs however do not; have the full template nor the stats of the sleepers.

To be entirely clear, we've given mission and belt NPCs "a few" AI components, but they're by no means comparable to sleepers.

I'm having the patch notes changed and asking them to link the dev blog in the patch notes!

Copy Paste from the Dev Blog

One of the nice advantages with the Level One AI is we can create different AI templates from it. This is why the sleepers and incursion NPC are so different. We are going to do the same thing again; creating a third template from the Level One AI. We will only be activating specific parts of the new AI for this third template and it will not change how much damage the NPC do, how much damage they take, or generally how strong they are.

After the first round of testing we made some tweaks to the attributes on the NPC, specifically making them hate drones less,

F.A.Q.

Q) Will the NPC's switch targets now?
A) Yes, yes they will.

Q) Will the NPC's choose a targets of the same size, so npc frigates will first target player frigs.
A) Yes, the NPC will try and pick targets matching their own size.

Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.

Q) Will NPCs do any new ewar?
A) No. Their actual weapons and effects will not be changing.

Q) Does this change things like spawns or range activation?
A) No. When the NPC decide to start hating you is still based on the individual mission.

This should pretty much answer all our questions (and proves i should read dev blogs more thoroughly)

Ill agree that some of the missions might need their DPS reduced. There is the fact that some missions require their DPS increased. Missioning shouldnt be see as a passive form of ISK making

Read, then post.

If this is accurate then theres a problem,

Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?

Launch Light drones when frigs are on the field and all the frigs tend to go for the drones, not all misions but most, in these cases theres no less hate to be had!

Q) Does this change things like spawns or range activation?

Quite a few missions have changed, ive experience rogue drone harrassement level 3 for example has 95% of the room agro now, The mission with the green aristie ore also has room agro now when it didnt before, seeing a lot of difference these are just two repeatable examples. (cant imagine the L4s being much more fun heard of a couple of issues but havent done L4s since the patch (too new to survive now))

I guess we just report them and let the devs fix the problems, its clear that in some cases the NPC's are not acting as per the notes/dev blogs. I actually took CCP silence on the issue to be them collating the information, for the most part people are being quite civil and putting the information accross with a lot of detail.

Oh and for the PVP bears, it was mentioned that npcs wouldnt attack players that went on field to attack players, well if you get to the player without doing anything at all npcs switch so pve ratters are safer because of this change......

Not just PVE guys, this is a problem elsewhere too, somethings wrong :)

In the issues thread, they've posted that they know full room aggro is a problem now, but no ETA on a fix. (as it only hurts PVE content, it goes to the back of the bus)

Here is a solution...create a new item in market that you obtain when your ship is destroyed. For example: Your golem was destroyed you obtained 2000 salty tears. Sell those in market. The insurance covers ship and the tears the faction modules :-)

I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD

I saw a Tengu and Rattlesnake get blown up in Worlds Collide mission in the Sancha room. Nice explosions :P