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Maximus Reborn
Assasinated Zombies
#1 - 2012-12-06 07:16:48 UTC
Like subject says.... I did missions all yesterday and today and yes I lost probably about 10 more drones then a usual day.... But I think I finished some missions faster as the whole room agroed me and they all started coming closer.


So to all those people bitching... man up and adapt to the game and how it is evolving.. or stop doing missions.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-06 07:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Did you do them in a turret ship ?
Did you do them vs sansha/angels ?
Did you do the WC,Assault, Blockade against the above factions in a TURRET ship ?
Did you do it in an overtanked deadspace fit rattlesnake ?

Im talking about killing everything for bounties/salvage/loot


Tengu doesn't count
Blitzing doesn't count

Most missions are still doable but WC, blockade and assault are just too risky for the payout. Im sorry but WC pocket 2 sansha were breaking my paladin's cap stable core x-type tank with 1540 rep. I also have marauders at 5 and 12.2m gunnery SP.....

I couldn't even hold the tank in the angel room with my vargur that boosts ~1500/4s

I had to sacrifice 2 sets of hobgoblins and warp out twice just trying to do WC WHICH was very doable(if you manage your triggers) in a t1 apoc/maelstrom.

People in t1 battleships are NOT going to even survive on warp in.


So please, since you are so amazing at doing missions now, share your tips.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#3 - 2012-12-06 08:05:27 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
So please, since you are so amazing at doing missions now, share your tips.


Stop being bad.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2012-12-06 09:33:22 UTC
WC angel/sansha almost popped my mach. Whole room aggro on warp in is... a bit scary lol

I think I have a fix worked out for WC, but I quit it, so I have to wait on it to be offered again Cry
Alayna Le'line
#5 - 2012-12-06 09:42:35 UTC
Maximus Reborn wrote:
Like subject says.... I did missions all yesterday and today and yes I lost probably about 10 more drones then a usual day.... But I think I finished some missions faster as the whole room agroed me and they all started coming closer.


So to all those people bitching... man up and adapt to the game and how it is evolving.. or stop doing missions.


You managed to lose drones with the previous AI? Really?

As for the room aggro, try a proper hard mission with ~60 or so ships in a room, we'll see if you still like all of them coming at you at once then :P

Anyway, yeah the new AI can be rather easily lived with from my personal testing. But I still don't see what the point was of adding the extra drone management chore, once the "new" wears off missions will be just as boring as before and slightly more tedious which sounds like a net loss to me.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-06 09:48:13 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
So please, since you are so amazing at doing missions now, share your tips.


Stop being bad.


Hey, give/show some tips/facts rather than talking **** and being unhelpful.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-06 09:50:31 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
So please, since you are so amazing at doing missions now, share your tips.


Stop being bad.

this.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-06 11:28:59 UTC
I wonder how the microjump drive will factor in.. activate gate... align away, try to jump, hope you get jumped before you get scrammed... snipe away.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#9 - 2012-12-06 13:27:34 UTC
Concerning ‘Worlds Collide’: Granted I use a Mach with an MWD, XL Booster, Auto Targeting sys, and AC’s. In both the second and last room as soon as I land I turn the ship around and head up at about 45degrees MWD on and run for 3 cycles, Yes the frigs lock me but by the time they get a lock I am 25 km from them, locking up 10 targets (all of them frigs) makes the rest easy, kill all frigs kill all cruisers and BS’s as they close range. Use the MWD to pulse myself out of their range or back into my range.

Yes the sansha spie webs you but the mwd powers through and breaks free at 10km.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-06 14:16:57 UTC
I haven't lost a single drone in 2 nights of solid missioning.

People were bitching about the AI, so I posted what's working for me.

Then they started bitching about the help.
Angelofdeath728
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-06 16:09:17 UTC
I will be glad to hear the help and suggestion i have a hard time to deal with this new AI Sad
Vixorz
Cabronazos
#12 - 2012-12-06 16:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixorz
I did a blockade yesterday, against angels, with a normal dominix, using heavies up close (to test this AI aggro thingy) and sentries only for ships that were far. Apart from the fact that my domi is fitted for gank more than tank, which made me warp out and back in three times, mission was easy. Zero drones aggroed or lost.

Target Painter is your friend people.
Maximus Reborn
Assasinated Zombies
#13 - 2012-12-06 17:16:11 UTC
You guys are running either ****** dps/tank/ ect if you cant handle the missions. i use dual box 2 4 year old toons. Yes I have some leetsauce gear but like I said there was no change at all for me.

I fly the "Mission King" and no that isnt a tengu... If you think for a second a tengu is boss.. there is your problem... People the game evolves that is such an awesome feature. No it isnt always better for the player but sometimes it is.


I do not blitz.... I want bounties and LP, salvage is a waste of time.


Look bottom line is this.. Same **** happened when incursions came out, as well as sleepers.. people bitched and cried and said they were to hard but you know what people learned to adapt and fight them.. So quit your bitching.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-12-06 17:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Maximus Reborn wrote:
You guys are running either ****** dps/tank/ ect if you cant handle the missions. i use dual box 2 4 year old toons. Yes I have some leetsauce gear but like I said there was no change at all for me.

I fly the "Mission King" and no that isnt a tengu... If you think for a second a tengu is boss.. there is your problem... People the game evolves that is such an awesome feature. No it isnt always better for the player but sometimes it is.


I do not blitz.... I want bounties and LP, salvage is a waste of time.


Look bottom line is this.. Same **** happened when incursions came out, as well as sleepers.. people bitched and cried and said they were to hard but you know what people learned to adapt and fight them.. So quit your bitching.


This is not the same thing. Incursions and Wormholes were meant to be that way, missions and complexes weren't They should have remade the missions and complexes 1st then did this.

It's not game ending, but it's a lot of aggravation for nothing.

also highlighted something you aren't taking into consideration. Dual boxing helps keep aggro off drones because you have to ships to present threats. Most people don't dual box.
starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-06 17:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: starbelt stacy
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximus Reborn wrote:
You guys are running either ****** dps/tank/ ect if you cant handle the missions. i use dual box 2 4 year old toons. Yes I have some leetsauce gear but like I said there was no change at all for me.

I fly the "Mission King" and no that isnt a tengu... If you think for a second a tengu is boss.. there is your problem... People the game evolves that is such an awesome feature. No it isnt always better for the player but sometimes it is.


I do not blitz.... I want bounties and LP, salvage is a waste of time.


Look bottom line is this.. Same **** happened when incursions came out, as well as sleepers.. people bitched and cried and said they were to hard but you know what people learned to adapt and fight them.. So quit your bitching.


This is not the same thing. Incursions and Wormholes were meant to be that way, missions and complexes weren't They should have remade the missions and complexes 1st then did this.

It's not game ending, but it's a lot of aggravation for nothing.



Maximus ---- so why not tell us what ship you were using and fittings / tactics? Roll

cos right now all i have to say is ......

Cool Story Bro!!! Lol
Maximus Reborn
Assasinated Zombies
#16 - 2012-12-06 17:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Reborn
starbelt stacy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximus Reborn wrote:
You guys are running either ****** dps/tank/ ect if you cant handle the missions. i use dual box 2 4 year old toons. Yes I have some leetsauce gear but like I said there was no change at all for me.

I fly the "Mission King" and no that isnt a tengu... If you think for a second a tengu is boss.. there is your problem... People the game evolves that is such an awesome feature. No it isnt always better for the player but sometimes it is.


I do not blitz.... I want bounties and LP, salvage is a waste of time.


Look bottom line is this.. Same **** happened when incursions came out, as well as sleepers.. people bitched and cried and said they were to hard but you know what people learned to adapt and fight them.. So quit your bitching.


This is not the same thing. Incursions and Wormholes were meant to be that way, missions and complexes weren't They should have remade the missions and complexes 1st then did this.

It's not game ending, but it's a lot of aggravation for nothing.



Maximus ---- so why not tell us what ship you were using and fittings / tactics? Roll

cos right now all i have to say is ......

Cool Story Bro!!! Lol



Are we bros... you even lift? Like I am gonna help anyone out I dont know. Do I look like a charity to you ..... I just want the bitching to stop because you sound like a bunch of women.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-12-06 18:01:55 UTC
Maximus Reborn wrote:
starbelt stacy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Maximus Reborn wrote:
You guys are running either ****** dps/tank/ ect if you cant handle the missions. i use dual box 2 4 year old toons. Yes I have some leetsauce gear but like I said there was no change at all for me.

I fly the "Mission King" and no that isnt a tengu... If you think for a second a tengu is boss.. there is your problem... People the game evolves that is such an awesome feature. No it isnt always better for the player but sometimes it is.


I do not blitz.... I want bounties and LP, salvage is a waste of time.


Look bottom line is this.. Same **** happened when incursions came out, as well as sleepers.. people bitched and cried and said they were to hard but you know what people learned to adapt and fight them.. So quit your bitching.


This is not the same thing. Incursions and Wormholes were meant to be that way, missions and complexes weren't They should have remade the missions and complexes 1st then did this.

It's not game ending, but it's a lot of aggravation for nothing.



Maximus ---- so why not tell us what ship you were using and fittings / tactics? Roll

cos right now all i have to say is ......

Cool Story Bro!!! Lol



Are we bros... you even lift? Like I am gonna help anyone out I dont know. Do I look like a charity to you ..... I just want the bitching to stop because you sound like a bunch of women.


Dude, look at my avatar, i am a bunch of women.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-06 18:29:31 UTC
Alayna Le'line wrote:
You managed to lose drones with the previous AI? Really?


I lost like 20 last saturday, kept forgetting them behind :p Note to self: don't use a drone boat if you're half asleep :D
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#19 - 2012-12-06 18:38:59 UTC
For the sake of sanity: train, buy or steal one of these:

Using a cross of Deadspace/Faction fitted Machariel, using 800 autocannons mostly, but arties when I can (I like to see them go BOOM) XL-shield booster and boost amplifier and an MWD ALWAYS. (So I to set the range I engage). Split guns to pop all the frigs on the field in under 12 seconds (3 cycles of the autos). Regroup guns and take out anything that is left, starting with closest first.

No really a ‘trick’ to it, actually it is the same way I have been doing missions all along. If you looking for a cap stable boat, this is not it.

Tengu cannot even begin to compare, with falloff at 70km and optimal at 3km nothing in locking range will survive. (Switch to barrage if I really need range)

Drones are good, I really like the new salvage drones, it allows me to do something while I slow boat to the next gate, giving me time to let the cap recharge.

Mission Mach
Tank 900 (1200 with a little heat)
or tank 1200 (2000 with heat) in the right clone.
DPS 1332 or 900 with ranged ammo
Speed 1400 m/s

If you want the exact fit I can post that but figured the short and simple was better. (and I didnt want to hear all the trolls from the fitting police)

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#20 - 2012-12-06 19:08:35 UTC
Guys

Guys listen to-

Guys you need-

Guys. Listen. You need to have a machariel to run missions.
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