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Bounties are serious buisness.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#81 - 2012-12-06 04:01:06 UTC
Barakach wrote:
Do they tax bounties? They should put something like a 5% tax on money going into a bounty, but leave the pay out at 100%.

Sounds like a good way to make money buy getting payout+insurance.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#82 - 2012-12-06 04:05:08 UTC
We here at Somethin Awfull Forums can only bounty Corporations, as it it too much paperwork to identify individual conflicts with our logistic strategies.
Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-12-06 12:20:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
Codie Dunier wrote:
You just go ahead and put a bounty on a forum-posting alt. I can always get rid of this alt and make a new one, should I want to do so.


Because you're too much of a coward to post with your main?

I'm only posting with an alt because that's what practically everyone else does on these forums and it gives me a bit more liberty to say whatever bullsh*t I want without having to think about the consequences. It's purely strategic, actually. Not because I'm a coward.
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#84 - 2012-12-06 12:24:12 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
Andski wrote:
Codie Dunier wrote:
You just go ahead and put a bounty on a forum-posting alt. I can always get rid of this alt and make a new one, should I want to do so.


Because you're too much of a coward to post with your main?

I'm only posting with an alt because that's what practically everyone else does on these forums and it gives me a bit more liberty to say whatever bullsh*t I want without having to think about the consequences. It's purely strategic, actually. Not because I'm a coward.



So, posting less bullsh*t would let you post with your main and increase the niveau of the forum? win - win i would say... Think about it ;)
Frying Doom
#85 - 2012-12-06 12:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Singulis Pacifica wrote:


CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Heh, I guess that one didn't actually turn out as she expected. I wish I could live in her world though. Everyone would get along fine, we wouldn't even need bounties then.

I think the problem here is CCP Punkturis failed to realise what annoys a normal EvE player

Such crimes as

  • Appearing in Local
  • Asking for or answering questions in a help channel
  • Logging into the game.
  • Breathing


See now armed with this list she can now see what percentage of EvE will end up with bounties on them, their corporations and their Alliances.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#86 - 2012-12-06 12:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
Frying Doom wrote:
Singulis Pacifica wrote:


CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Heh, I guess that one didn't actually turn out as she expected. I wish I could live in her world though. Everyone would get along fine, we wouldn't even need bounties then.

I think the problem here is CCP Punkturis failed to realise what annoys a normal EvE player

Such crimes as

  • Appearing in Local
  • Asking for or answering questions in a help channel
  • Logging into the game.
  • Breathing


See now armed with this list she can now see what percentage of EvE will end up with bounties on them, their corporations and their Alliances.


Most player are only a bit over enthusiastic about the new button they can smash when they're bored. This will end in 1 or 2 weeks and all of these Minibountys will be gone in a month when these players got killed once or twice. it's still a huge improvement to the old system that was broken as hell and i, personally, like these changes.
Frying Doom
#87 - 2012-12-06 12:44:15 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Singulis Pacifica wrote:


CCP Punkturis wrote:

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local..


Heh, I guess that one didn't actually turn out as she expected. I wish I could live in her world though. Everyone would get along fine, we wouldn't even need bounties then.

I think the problem here is CCP Punkturis failed to realise what annoys a normal EvE player

Such crimes as

  • Appearing in Local
  • Asking for or answering questions in a help channel
  • Logging into the game.
  • Breathing


See now armed with this list she can now see what percentage of EvE will end up with bounties on them, their corporations and their Alliances.


Most player are only a bit over enthusiastic about the new button they can smash when they're bored. This will end in 1 or 2 weeks and all these Minibountys will be gone in a month when these players got killed once or twice. it's still a huge improvement to the old system that was broken as hell and i, personally, like these changes.

Dont get me wrong I love these changes, it is about time people with cash got too use it.

But I dont think it will die off that quickly

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-12-06 13:27:52 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
Andski wrote:
Codie Dunier wrote:
You just go ahead and put a bounty on a forum-posting alt. I can always get rid of this alt and make a new one, should I want to do so.


Because you're too much of a coward to post with your main?

I'm only posting with an alt because that's what practically everyone else does on these forums and it gives me a bit more liberty to say whatever bullsh*t I want without having to think about the consequences. It's purely strategic, actually. Not because I'm a coward.

Because a coward doesn't talk a bunch of crap, and then hide?

Just like you're doing.
Gotcha, not a coward, just afraid of the consequences or your actions. That's deffinately not a cowardly act.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-12-06 13:32:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Barakach wrote:
Do they tax bounties? They should put something like a 5% tax on money going into a bounty, but leave the pay out at 100%.

Sounds like a good way to make money buy getting payout+insurance.


Add 100m bounty, takes 5%, effective 95m bounty is placed. Blow up 100m ship, get 20m, only 75m left in bounty pool.

How does one "make" money?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-12-06 13:45:17 UTC
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
Seriously, everyone and their mother has a bounty on them. I know a girl who came back for the first time in a month, was just talking in chat, and bam. 1 Million Isk bounty for no reason. I don't think she ever left station.

Maybe we could use some rules.

Edit: Some principles! Thank god, we've been needing those...

What a bunch of crap.

Not "everyone" has a bounty on them.

Some of you are acting like hysterical women.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-12-06 13:57:30 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. .

nope. if somebody decides to put a bounty on somebody the isk is gone. If the victim really dislikes a bounty he just pays it of his pocket. The damage is done. It is a double isk sink. It would not invalidate the bounty so there is no reason why the bounty payer would have to get something back. You just decide between exploding and paying it.

I think you should be able to retract a bounty.

Create a transaction tax if there isn't already one. Both for placing and retracting.

This way you can use it as a tool to extort other players, and the non criminal types have at least a chance of removing the bounty without having to lose a ship.

"Pirates" can use it in high sec on those freighters.


I don't see how you can exploit the ability to retract a bounty. It boils down to putting a quantity of items on the market, and pulling the order even after a portion has been sold. Let us not forget, CCP provides skills that act as tools to exploit the market in particular ways, and they've said it's ok.

Why shouldn't you be able to retract a bounty?


because it puts some weight on the decision making process. Somebody just did something to you which has been perceived of being unfair and you want revenge but know that it might be difficult for whatever reason so you put a bounty on the bad guy. This was your decision. It shouldn't be possible to get something back later if you feel better or need some ISK - its not a wallet ;)

here the exploit:
- ducks put bounty on the purple frog freighter alliance
- purple frog is sad
- ducks say no problem frogs, just pay us the bounty we retract it
- frogs: yey!
- ducks: bazinga! we don't retract but thanks anyway

in fact, i can't think off a single usecase where i would like to retract a bounty i payed without it being a scam in some form.

What reality are you living in?
I know some nutty quantum phsicists think that we create our own reality every day, but really now.

A 10% tax for the placing and withtrawing of bounties is putting "some weight on the decision making process".
And sinse when does CCP develop anything based on whether or not players will be honorable in their dealings with other people?

You can't contrat scam?
Recruitment scam?
Margin trade?
Investment scam?

Seriously? What game are you playing, because the EVE I play doesn't consider "Lying" an exploit. It doesn't even consider scamming an exploit.

I play an EVE online that makes your actions have consequence, and where your reputation will follow you. Deal poorly with people and people stop dealing with you. Deal fairly and they will deal with you untill you decide to deal poorly.

You gave an example of exactly why you should be able to remove a bounty. So people can do EXACTLY what you just described; while other people would actually remove the bounty.


I can cancel a contract, but I can't cancel a bounty; which is just another type of contract. That's rediculous.

Bounties should be able to be cancelled by the issuer, and there should be a transaction tax for issuing and cancelling a bounty. There's NO valid reason for there not to be. It's no different then creating market orders or contracts.


This is a sandbox, and all tools should allow for as broad an option for gameplay as possible, not restrict potential gameplay; especially when it can be good gameplay.
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-12-06 14:25:17 UTC
Rovinia wrote:

Most player are only a bit over enthusiastic about the new button they can smash when they're bored. This will end in 1 or 2 weeks and all of these Minibountys will be gone in a month when these players got killed once or twice. it's still a huge improvement to the old system that was broken as hell and i, personally, like these changes.


Like Frying Doom said as well, I too like the changes they made to the extend that it now serves the purpose it is intended to do. However, several players warned CCP Punkturis and others in the dev blog that the system had major flaws in its design.

The first problem is that bounties are indefinite. There is no expiration timer. Thus a person will keep it if the bounty is too low and he never leaves the station or remains in high-sec without wardecs. These minibounties as you call them will remain on many players for quite a while, if not for the rest of their life. Just have an alt destroy your ship then? Great, just because some bored player puts a bounty on you, you have to do all that to remove it again. Which brings me to the second problem.

Bounties, in its current form are too easy to put onto players. There is no reason needed. Just search for any random character and add a bounty and you're done. Do you actually want that player to be hunted down? Not really, chances are you aren't even at war with them. Or even met them in EVE. Heck, large alliances have corps putting bounties on each other.

The end result is that, save for the few bounties that really matter and work very well with the current system, the vast majority of these "mini-bounties"are meaningless. Ergo: the current bounty hunter system is flawed and needs drastic changes to make it really work the way it is intended.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-12-06 14:28:47 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Perhaps we should make the minimum 500bil so that only Chribba and the goons can put bounties on people....


This.

I mean, for some people 100k are much money.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-12-06 14:32:10 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
What is the problem?

i don't like sign WANTED on my portrait Evil

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-12-06 14:32:44 UTC
Singulis Pacifica wrote:


Like Frying Doom said as well, I too like the changes they made to the extend that it now serves the purpose it is intended to do. However, several players warned CCP Punkturis and others in the dev blog that the system had major flaws in its design.

The first problem is that bounties are indefinite. There is no expiration timer. Thus a person will keep it if the bounty is too low and he never leaves the station or remains in high-sec without wardecs. These minibounties as you call them will remain on many players for quite a while, if not for the rest of their life. Just have an alt destroy your ship then? Great, just because some bored player puts a bounty on you, you have to do all that to remove it again. Which brings me to the second problem.

Bounties, in its current form are too easy to put onto players. There is no reason needed. Just search for any random character and add a bounty and you're done. Do you actually want that player to be hunted down? Not really, chances are you aren't even at war with them. Or even met them in EVE. Heck, large alliances have corps putting bounties on each other.

The end result is that, save for the few bounties that really matter and work very well with the current system, the vast majority of these "mini-bounties"are meaningless. Ergo: the current bounty hunter system is flawed and needs drastic changes to make it really work the way it is intended.

So what you're saying is,

You're afraid of a 100k ISK bounty?

You are pointing out exactly what they intended to fix. Why do some of you not seem to understand that?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#96 - 2012-12-06 14:36:24 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
So what you're saying is,

You're afraid of a 100k ISK bounty?

You are pointing out exactly what they intended to fix. Why do some of you not seem to understand that?

Bounties, the best new mechanic of the year.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-12-06 15:30:39 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

So what you're saying is,

You're afraid of a 100k ISK bounty?

You are pointing out exactly what they intended to fix. Why do some of you not seem to understand that?


No, no, then you misunderstood me. I am not afraid of any bounty in this new system. Bounties can go as high as they can be. It's sandbox after all. My point is, what is the meaning of a bounty if the result is that it is never removed and not actually intended to have the player be hunted by bounty hunters.

You're in Goonswarm and I expect you end up in low and null sec most of the time. If I put a bounty on you, even if it is 100k ISK, chances are that it could be paid out. I don't know how well you do in PvP combat after all. But if you would do the same on me. Then the bounty has become meaningless. I can not be war-decced so I'm never a viable target in high-sec. I do not leave high-sec either so that 100k ISK you put on me is going to remain indefinitely.

And what is the purpose of a bounty? You want the target to be hunted down right? 100k ISK isn't going to cut it.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#98 - 2012-12-06 15:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

A 10% tax for the placing and withtrawing of bounties is putting "some weight on the decision making process".
And sinse when does CCP develop anything based on whether or not players will be honorable in their dealings with other people?

eve has not a single feature which is explicitly designed for scams. Tell me a good reason why retracting bounties would be useful and it is not a scam.

it once had free-form contracts which were basically only used for scams, thats why they are no more since they served no other purpose.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-12-06 15:55:26 UTC
Derek Quaid wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%.

It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system.

Discreet Bounties is happy to place such anonymous bounties on your behalf.


1) Create alt
2) Transfer ISK from main to alt
3) have alt issue bounty

Discreet and saves any third party processing fees

Would you like to know more?
Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#100 - 2012-12-06 16:01:15 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Make them expire and it would be used seriously as well I think, also make the wanted tag a bit smaller lol





OMG CHRIBBA!!!!!! Perfect I think all bounties should expire and not be returned to the user but just removed from the system after 30 days! It will have 2 effects prevent the abuse of the bounty system and ISK SINK!!!