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New CEO Looking for Help

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Siekman Beldrulf
Gingerbread Spacemen
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#1 - 2012-12-06 08:58:37 UTC
Hello Everyone,

As the title says, I'm a new CEO looking for help regarding my corporation. My corporation is mostly real life friends but we've grown to 7 people (some not rl friends) in the last 30 days. We're all still incredibly new to the game as well, each having about 1 mil + sp. Because most of my corp mates are rl friends, and I want them to have fun (yet they still yield to me in decision making), I want to be the best CEO I can be. To that end, I've ramped up recruiting efforts and asked for corporation member leadership in helping me recruit. We're looking to at least double our numbers. Once that goal is reached, however, I'm concerned about what I should do next. They really do look to me for guidance on a lot of issues.

Most of us are long-time mmo players that are extremely excited to have found an mmo that can hold our attention for longer than a few months. We are excited to finally play a game where the extra time spent out of game reading guides is actually beneficial, if not necessary. We are in EVE for the long haul. With that in mind, I have a few questions for players in general and especially corporation directors and CEOs:

-At the moment we are a small mining and manufacturing corporation that surprisingly enjoys staring at asteroids. About two weeks after the corporation was founded we moved to a 0.5 security zone called Nein and have had an excellent time mining there. Most members are finally reaching their barges; By the end of the week, each member will be able to fly a barge. Our corporation's focus is mining and helping new players learn the ropes and make some isk.

--My question is: How many members would you want to have a mining corporation to have before moving to null security, and how many of those members should be on security detail? I want to move to null sec before too long but I also don't want to get my corporation's members horribly killed. I know EVE is never safe, and we don't fly what we cannot afford to lose, but I do wish for us to be able to withstand some forms of conflict while out mining. Mining corporations, what do you do for security? What are some tips to be safer?

-A goal for many of my members is to participate in sov and hold our own system. Many of us have dreams of building the corporation to be a large, well known entity. Still, we'd stick to our mining roots. My question is: When is a reasonable time frame for attempting to participate in sov? Again, I know my members want to participate but I don't want them to die horribly. I wish to be able to give them a fair estimate.

These are just a few of my questions. I've tried to lurk as much as I can to glean all the information possible but I know I've missed tons of it. If any of you don't want to answer yourselves even a link to a good answer for my questions would be wonderful.

Thanks for reading my wall of text. I hope to hear from you soon.

Fly Safe,

Siekman



Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2 - 2012-12-06 09:21:15 UTC
You want to become a well-known entity, hold sovereignty, but be dedicated miners entire time? It will never happen. At best you'll become lowly renters in some backwoods 0.0 for some giant coalition, completely unknown and irrelevant, paying almost as much for the privilege of mining in their space as you make from the effort. Heck, I give you guys at most another three months before you catch the attention of some crappy local pirate outfit, and get griefed out of the game within the first two days of a war declaration.

You want advice? Stop training for barges, and train for combat ships and fittings instead. You have no future in this game otherwise.

If you agree to that, then I can provide you with further advice.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Gangname Style
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-06 09:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gangname Style
The sad truth is that sooner or later some badmen will target your corp for a wardec and you will be in trouble. (Now that you posted on the forums the chance of this will increase tenfold. Oops)

The fastest way to learn IMO is to join another small corp for the time being and learn from the already experienced CEO / leadership.

At the very least... you have your own personal "help channel" asking the more experienced players for help whenever you get into trouble or have questions.

Having friends you can trust are the most important thing in this game.


I can offer some more help with your situation, just shoot me an evemail if you are interested. Good luck m8.



edit: Top post is correct. Being a miner... especially a new miner... is just askin for it.
Frying Doom
#4 - 2012-12-06 09:26:57 UTC
Ok I will start with this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133557

Other than that to be in Null you either need to be a member of a large Null sec alliance or be in a large alliance moving to Null


Either way around if it has the word Null in it it means PvP,

Take your time, take baby steps, EvE is a game of patience. We measure time in years in this game not days or weeks.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#5 - 2012-12-06 09:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Siekman Beldrulf wrote:
Hello Everyone,

As the title says, I'm a new CEO looking for help regarding my corporation. My corporation is mostly real life friends but we've grown to 7 people (some not rl friends) in the last 30 days. We're all still incredibly new to the game as well, each having about 1 mil + sp. Because most of my corp mates are rl friends, and I want them to have fun (yet they still yield to me in decision making), I want to be the best CEO I can be. To that end, I've ramped up recruiting efforts and asked for corporation member leadership in helping me recruit. We're looking to at least double our numbers. Once that goal is reached, however, I'm concerned about what I should do next. They really do look to me for guidance on a lot of issues.

Most of us are long-time mmo players that are extremely excited to have found an mmo that can hold our attention for longer than a few months. We are excited to finally play a game where the extra time spent out of game reading guides is actually beneficial, if not necessary. We are in EVE for the long haul. With that in mind, I have a few questions for players in general and especially corporation directors and CEOs:



Eve is an harsh game, expecially on people like your corp.

You see your corp name? Now imagine you actually LIVE in Somalia, because EvE is no less harsher (even if only "in pixels reality").
You can't leave your home with some sort of self defense else you'll be tender young sheep in an endless sea of rabid wolves.

You have to train to at least self defend... by yesterday.

Just the fact you posted here might entice some buffoon into griefing you out of the game.


Edit:

if you don't want to become just a fully disposable, high rent paying, 0.0 nameless pet you are better moving into a worm hole. They are suited to corps of your size and you'll never have to endure the complete garbage you'll get in 0.0.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#6 - 2012-12-06 09:29:48 UTC
Hello Siekman Beldrulf,

Not to try to sound glib, but your best resource for information of what to do next is probably to harvest the information you will find in the Alliances and Corporations forums. Read through some of the longer threads, you should get a good idea, a "feel" for what's to be done and how to get yourself noticed.

o7
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-06 09:29:58 UTC
There are two types of people in the world: those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#8 - 2012-12-06 09:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Just the fact you posted here might entice some buffoon into griefing you out of the game.

I will literally dismantle this guy's corporation within three hours unless he does what I told him. It's gonna happen anyway, so I might as well be the one getting the kills.

edit: I only say three hours because there might be a movie on that I want to watch or something. Better safe than sorry.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Siekman Beldrulf
Gingerbread Spacemen
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#9 - 2012-12-06 09:31:36 UTC
Okay, I myself and another member are training as combat pilots. As difficult as it may be, I will try to convince my members to start training combat ships. Here's a question though, why can't our corporation just have a mining subdivision while maintaining an active combat pilot role. Is that possible?

Also, many of us live for pvp , mining was just a beginning front to financing our ships, and we fell in love with asteroid - staring .

Thanks for responding,

Siekman
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-06 09:32:56 UTC
Do yourself a service and consider wormhole space (w-space) before venturing into null.
You will find all ore in w-space as you could in null, without the drama of being a renter/pet whatever to
the alliance entity holding the area.
Finding an empty w-space system ain't that hard. As a new startup consider w-space Class2-Class3,
as starting point.
W-space? There's a good read over here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8025&find=unread
Gangname Style
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-12-06 09:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gangname Style
Siekman Beldrulf wrote:
Okay, I myself and another member are training as combat pilots. As difficult as it may be, I will try to convince my members to start training combat ships. Here's a question though, why can't our corporation just have a mining subdivision while maintaining an active combat pilot role. Is that possible?

Also, many of us live for pvp , mining was just a beginning front to financing our ships, and we fell in love with asteroid - staring .

Thanks for responding,

Siekman


The problem with doing two things at once is that you will spread your skillpoints out too thin and be just mediocre at both.

You either want to be a good PvPer or a good miner... Trying to do both at this stage isn't very wise.


Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Just the fact you posted here might entice some buffoon into griefing you out of the game.

I will literally dismantle this guy's corporation within three hours unless he does what I told him. It's gonna happen anyway, so I might as well be the one getting the kills.

edit: I only say three hours because there might be a movie on that I want to watch or something. Better safe than sorry.


See what I meant about posting on the forums? lol.
Siekman Beldrulf
Gingerbread Spacemen
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#12 - 2012-12-06 09:35:34 UTC
I appreciate the reply eru, I'll check out the post.

Siekman
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#13 - 2012-12-06 09:36:47 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Just the fact you posted here might entice some buffoon into griefing you out of the game.

I will literally dismantle this guy's corporation within three hours unless he does what I told him. It's gonna happen anyway, so I might as well be the one getting the kills.

edit: I only say three hours because there might be a movie on that I want to watch or something. Better safe than sorry.


You'd actually help them doing so.

Better learning what EvE is about early and perform the conscious decision if it's the game for you or not.
This is why in my first weeks of game I was already poking (and dying a lot!) stuff in low sec.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#14 - 2012-12-06 09:36:51 UTC
Siekman Beldrulf wrote:
Here's a question though, why can't our corporation just have a mining subdivision while maintaining an active combat pilot role. Is that possible?

Absolutely. But both of these divisions need to be effective in what they do. The combat guys can't be pushover weekend warriors who fit their Hurricanes with cap rechargers, and the miners can't be so inefficient that they can't provide basic funding for the rest of the corporation. Of course, new players are going to be weak by default, due to lack of SP and experience. That's why it's also important to keep a low profile. Don't grow your corporation too much, because it will catch peoples' attention.

Siekman Beldrulf wrote:
Also, many of us live for pvp , mining was just a beginning front to financing our ships, and we fell in love with asteroid - staring

High-sec mining is bad and you shouldn't do it at all. Just trust me on this. Even with maximum skills, exhumers, and a full-boost Orca it's still terrible money, unless you're, uh, automating it.

My advice: everyone starts training for pvp today. Within two weeks, you either move to low and just derp around, or find another corporation in high-sec, one much like yours today, declare war on them, and cut your teeth with combat.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Siekman Beldrulf
Gingerbread Spacemen
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#15 - 2012-12-06 09:38:40 UTC
Oh I see Gangname, that makes sense. While it seems that it might be almost too late for most of us, Ill start getting everyone ready for combat piloting .

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2012-12-06 09:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Siekman Beldrulf wrote:
Okay, I myself and another member are training as combat pilots. As difficult as it may be, I will try to convince my members to start training combat ships. Here's a question though, why can't our corporation just have a mining subdivision while maintaining an active combat pilot role. Is that possible?

Also, many of us live for pvp , mining was just a beginning front to financing our ships, and we fell in love with asteroid - staring .

Thanks for responding,

Siekman


Depending on where you plan to go, you don't really need everybody super duper PvPer. As long as you can fend off 3-5 aggressors you'll be fine most of the time.

Once you are big enough you'd be something like: some guys guarding (aka camping) entrance gate(s) and the others do the PvE stuff. You probably want also to explore what missions can yield to you. Less minerals but more ISK, salvage parts and so on. Ofc missions will need alts to be done if you live in a wormhole or in sov 0.0.


Edit:

Whatever your choices will be, you HAVE to learn to become nimble. Kill those you can, escape those you can't fend off.
Never give up, you have to make plans about what to do if you get a fleet killed, if you get wardecced and so on.

One of the Good Things about going in a wormhole is that you almost won't get wardecs. Wardecs are a crapola thing for fearful hi sec PVPers, they won't easily chase you in a wormhole.
pussnheels
Viziam
#17 - 2012-12-06 09:41:30 UTC
my advice ; do not stick with industry alone expand into pvp aswell; it might look painful for new players , pvp that is but t1 ships are cheap and easy to learn , build up a reputation of industrials who are willing to fight aswell, and don't be scared of wardecs , show up on to fight , you will not win each time , but you will get some reputation and after awhile the griefers will leave you alone

Just make sure all your corpmembers are involved , Remember Rome wasn't build in a day
A corporation who s members are willing to fight and can develop their own null sec space between wars are a asset in every null sec alliance

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Siekman Beldrulf
Gingerbread Spacemen
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#18 - 2012-12-06 09:43:44 UTC
Okay Destiny, I like your idea. I'll start corporate combat training tomorrow . Then in two weeks, We'll go to war.

Thanks to everyone who gave me a quick wake-up call. As many of you have said, I now see attracting attention is bad. Therefore I will stop replying after this post, in hopes this thread is buried quickly.

Thanks for all the help,

Siekman
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#19 - 2012-12-06 09:52:38 UTC
Okay, good, there's hope for you guys yet. Just remember to find a weak target at first. Check out their battleclinic histories to see what you're going up against.

As far as training goes, don't rush into large ships right away. Frigates and cruisers first, with support skills. Lots of resources in other sections of the forums in regards to what to train for.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-12-06 09:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Well i ll give u some advice. Industrial corps can have success in EVE. But in order to be a successful 0.0 Industrial corp u will need lots of SP and some nice amount of players too. So u can help the alliance that sustains your corp in a substantial way and earn some isk for yourselves too.

That road is very long. U will need lot of experience also in trading in highsec and a freighter/Jump freighter network.

Till than everyone should ve some t1 barges and keep some income trough mining/manufacturing/trading. Whenever u guys finish that u ll need to have some Defensive otpions. U ll be griefed for sure, by wars, pirates, gankers etc.

Train for Caldari missile ships train a Merlin, than this new Caldari destroyer, Caracal and finally the Drake. With those ships u ll be able to form some nice fleets and chase away the griefers. Beside that u can go for lv 4 missions and have some other option for earning isk,bounties, salvaging which can help your industry. The more options, the more your corp mates are entertained.

With Drakes u can also join fleets of most Alliances in nullsec. U can have some members train for logistic pilots, some for blackbirds (ewar). All these ships need shield tanking, which will improve the tanks of your barges and Orcas.

When u get hang on the production, trading and practice enough behaving in fleets around missions, the next logical step is a Wormhole. There u ll learn how to be really self sufficient, how to handle POSes etc. which will prepare you for the nullsec adventure.

Before going to WH everyone should take 1 month of training exploration skills. U cant live in WH without most of its inhabitants having decent explorations skills. Get yourselv a nice C" or C3 and enjoy. Also exploration skills will open some more content for your corp, exploration site (radar, magnetometric, mining sites or some DED complexes for which u ll be prepared by having some drakes and t1 logi ready). GL

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

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