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So the winner of this expansion is the Tengu?
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ashley Eoner
#21 - 2012-12-06 03:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#22 - 2012-12-06 03:52:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard.

What should I believe, EVEO forums?!


Inflation caught up to the game, so the tengu is number 1 again.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2012-12-06 03:55:03 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..

So if my drones are being shot, I should either:
a) Let them all die OR
b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight

in order to not be 'sploiting?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2012-12-06 03:55:44 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It's funny because I thought tengus were being hit really hard.

What should I believe, EVEO forums?!

Inflation caught up to the game, so the tengu is number 1 again.

Oh that's great. I was just wondering about getting a HAMgu, I heard they were THE thing. Wait, I should buy it now, while people still think they suck?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ashley Eoner
#25 - 2012-12-06 04:15:11 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..

So if my drones are being shot, I should either:
a) Let them all die OR
b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight

in order to not be 'sploiting?
I'm not a developer...
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-06 04:19:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

So if my drones are being shot, I should either:
a) Let them all die OR
b) Recall them, but then I can't use any more drones for the rest of the fight

in order to not be 'sploiting?


I was thinking the same, normally exploits would be illegal use of in-game mechanics, i don't really think saving you drones falls into that category.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-12-06 05:24:28 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps.


This gentleman has obvioulsy not been in a Forlorn Hub in null sec since this change lol.
Oopsy Bear
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-12-06 05:36:29 UTC
The problem with drones isn't the new AI. The problem is that if you take the skills points you have in drones and put them in anything else then you come out ahead. They are a waste of skill points.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#29 - 2012-12-06 06:07:38 UTC
Drones are a primary weapon system? Lol

wumbo
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-06 06:19:55 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
Drones are a primary weapon system? Lol

For a lot of ships, yes.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#31 - 2012-12-06 06:21:59 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
Drones are a primary weapon system? Lol

For a lot of ships, yes.


0/10

wumbo
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-12-06 06:47:10 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit

belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.




Did you know that you can use ships to shoot at things other than rats?

PS Put a target painter on your drone boat. The sleeper AI hates EW much more than it hates drones

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-12-06 07:16:01 UTC
Sentries can be ok after the changes if you watch them. But if you send any drones out farther than like 10km from your ship on certain level 4 missions, you will lose some. Even if you hit recall the second they start taking damage, they get focus fired en masse and die very quickly before they can get back.

If you like using drones other than sentries in some of the more difficult level 4 missions, you will lose a lot of drones.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-12-06 07:20:11 UTC
The Vaga might have won... that is pure sex right there Shocked

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-06 07:23:37 UTC
Ishmael Hansen wrote:

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.


Then how about flying them THEN telling us whether they've been killed or not.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-12-06 07:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Malcanis wrote:
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit

belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.




Did you know that you can use ships to shoot at things other than rats?

PS Put a target painter on your drone boat. The sleeper AI hates EW much more than it hates drones



since it seems to be like sleepers add a remote repper too. they really hate logi's too. And you fix your drones in the process. I sense from the "drones as primary weapons" bit these ships aren't decked out with guns...you should be able to squeeze em in.

Now if in a drake...squeeze in a link. That should be the trifecta since it should be an acitve mod they should monitor. Wh'ers please correct if I am wrong about links. .
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#37 - 2012-12-06 13:23:30 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit

That someone being a developer

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421
Quote:
While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution.

Thank you play again..


I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.

People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Thank you play again..

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Escomboli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-12-06 13:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Escomboli
Ishmael Hansen wrote:
The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit

belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.

Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.




Sentry shield Ishtar with drone damage mods is pretty good still. Maybe toss a remote armor rep in a high slot to keep the sents up if they pull argo, and you aren't quick enough to call them in. Just warp in, toss sents, orbit with ab on, win.

If you can't use t2 sents use faction. You should really never lose a sentry drone unless you are hammered drunk and not paying attention/can't see the screen.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-12-06 13:55:56 UTC
Ratting in a sb still works
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-12-06 14:23:38 UTC
While I think some of the changes to the AI suck, what the heck do you people think us WH people have been doing for the last couple years. Sleepers LOVE drones. Sleepers LOVE our support ships. If you are sad enough to not be paying attention then yes the drones die.

This is no different from the way it is in WH's only mission rats are Pu§§ies compared to Sleepers.