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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#61 - 2012-12-05 19:09:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk

Fixed.
Oh yes, ratting in those blue desolate systems is quite a risk.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-12-05 19:16:46 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.


They would if it were possible.
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-12-05 20:49:47 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Skex Relbore wrote:



Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard.


You mean the KB with 90% of my losses being PVE fits or lol fits? (Still no regrets about the Burn Jita bhaalgorn xD)

That and the last several losses I had I was either caught by gang of players or there were no drones to speak of worth going for. My tactic doesn't really explain my KB at all from that standpoint.


Like I said helps to explain, the rest is becoming obvious from your attempts to defend yourself.

Hint once you start having to rationalize your sorry stats you've already lost.

Here's a clue for you. on most ships drones are supplemental damage meaning that even if you kill that drone the ship will still be shooting at you. for those ships that drones are the primary form of damage if you destroy one they will simply launch another. So while you are screwing about trying to kill their drone they're busy reducing your ship to wreckage.
On the other hand if you kill the ship the drones belong to they will stop shooting you and you can scoop them into your cargo hold and sell them with the rest of the loot.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#64 - 2012-12-05 21:26:07 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
The reason they are loosing drones is because they are use to autopiloting their way through EVE isk making.

You've just revealed just how much you really know about being a drone captain. Or rather how little.

BoBoZoBo wrote:
Situational awareness is the problem. The desire to actually be active in something is the problem.
Pay more attention to the battle-space. Problem solved.


No, problem is not solved and that is the problem. It no longer matters if you're paying attention or not. Drones are drawing aggro from 12+ ships at once and getting insta-killed in one salvo. Drone Durability 4, Battlecruisers 5, using Navy Drones in a Myrmidon and watching Navy Drones die in one second flat tells me that this crap is crap.

BoBoZoBo wrote:
Flying with a group helps.


Yes, now you can use your drones as aggro-fodder for your buddies while they rack up kills. I'd rather just fly a logi and save myself a few million ISK per mission in replacement expenses.


Right - I don't know what I'm talking about - But then again, I am not the one bitching about loosing drones.
Drone skills are all maxed out - so are my tactics and awareness. Maybe I've been trained by sleepers for a while. It's OK, you will either learn or give up.

Try again.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#65 - 2012-12-05 21:35:02 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pvp'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making any isk at all.


HA

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#66 - 2012-12-05 21:53:38 UTC
I, like many a pilot before me, switched to gunnery a year ago. Happily this leaves me with almost perfect drones skills to suppliment my gunnery.

It sure has made Level 4 missions a whole bunch more (difficult, interesting, less lucrative possibly) but I rarley run many these days anyway.

Like most of CCP's initatives, players will soon figure out ways to misuse or work around the new aggro mechanics... because CCP isint as clever as they think they are.

The changes to L4 aggro also makes me think that the mission bears might be less keen of flying blingy faction ships for fear of getting popped.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-12-06 00:02:38 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat.


LOL!

I can't remember the last time an FC called my drones as primary. Come back with your theory when you actually learn to PVP.

Mr Epeen Cool


im not talking about fleet work, but in solo and smal gang fights pilots will remove drones from the field when fighting known drones boats, this effectively reduces most of their DPS allowing you to win the fight. Big fleet battles are not the be al and end all of PVP.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-12-06 00:04:44 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.


They would if it were possible.


Thanks for being one of the only people to actually have any common sense. they cannot in the mechanics shoot your guns, they can remove your drones. it makes sense that they will remove your drones.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-12-06 00:07:04 UTC
Skex Relbore wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
Skex Relbore wrote:



Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard.


You mean the KB with 90% of my losses being PVE fits or lol fits? (Still no regrets about the Burn Jita bhaalgorn xD)

That and the last several losses I had I was either caught by gang of players or there were no drones to speak of worth going for. My tactic doesn't really explain my KB at all from that standpoint.


Like I said helps to explain, the rest is becoming obvious from your attempts to defend yourself.

Hint once you start having to rationalize your sorry stats you've already lost.

Here's a clue for you. on most ships drones are supplemental damage meaning that even if you kill that drone the ship will still be shooting at you. for those ships that drones are the primary form of damage if you destroy one they will simply launch another. So while you are screwing about trying to kill their drone they're busy reducing your ship to wreckage.
On the other hand if you kill the ship the drones belong to they will stop shooting you and you can scoop them into your cargo hold and sell them with the rest of the loot.


Im sorry but that dosent apply for all situations at all, ECM drones and larger drones i will actively remove from solo fights because i want an advantage, hell even smal drones pop easy enough and not all ships carry multiple flights. Sometimes it makes sense to remove all their offense if you can.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-12-06 00:10:21 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
I, like many a pilot before me, switched to gunnery a year ago. Happily this leaves me with almost perfect drones skills to suppliment my gunnery.

It sure has made Level 4 missions a whole bunch more (difficult, interesting, less lucrative possibly) but I rarley run many these days anyway.

Like most of CCP's initatives, players will soon figure out ways to misuse or work around the new aggro mechanics... because CCP isint as clever as they think they are.

The changes to L4 aggro also makes me think that the mission bears might be less keen of flying blingy faction ships for fear of getting popped.



Hahaha

You could go for being my grandma. (Picture)

No
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#71 - 2012-12-06 00:13:28 UTC
OP is flat wrong.

One exception being fighter bombers.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#72 - 2012-12-06 00:30:41 UTC
I repeat, anyone who thinks paying customers should leave a game they play should volunteer to be the first.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-12-06 03:17:42 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You should probably go tell that guy from goonswarm how bad he is at the game for losing 400+ garde IIs in his carrier ratting. Obviously his carrier should switch to his other weapons, right?

But please, continue to tell people that play the game differently than you, that they're doing it wrong.


If he was flying solo, then that was his mistake - Goons have never been good at solo (with a few exceptional exceptions), and they know it and freely admit that their strength is in the blob (which, considering the nature of the game, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with it).

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2012-12-06 03:26:29 UTC
Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability.
Sekket
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-12-06 04:09:49 UTC
Said it before and I'll say it again:

1. Make drones cheaper. Less mins to construct and/or more per batch.
2. Expand drone bays on all ships so every ship can hold a few replacements.

By the way, since all the performance enhancements has there been any discussion on raising the 5 drone cap?
  • CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu4iekX3WE
Mohadeeb
GALAXIAN
#76 - 2012-12-06 06:07:35 UTC
Awesome rat AI got a boost.

Did they remove remote reppers as well or is everyone just upset they can't set and forget their drones. take a concrete pill harden up and adapt.

Every weapon type has been nerfed over the years vs rats. Drones had theirs comming.

On a positive atleast drones can be used as cannon fodder and absorb some damage for all of you fail tankers :)

BTW Rats do shoot down missiles the little explosion you see when you fire a volley is a defender missile being launched from the rat. Personally I find turrets a better option.

Ignore the tears for a while noobs will adapt and everything will continue as intended in the world of EVE :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#77 - 2012-12-06 08:28:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability.

I don't really think it's ~that~ astonishing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Beiny Lemmont
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-12-06 09:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Beiny Lemmont
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up


this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones
and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....

Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-12-06 11:39:13 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability.

I don't really think it's ~that~ astonishing.


More than marginal.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2012-12-06 11:41:18 UTC
Beiny Lemmont wrote:


this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones
and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....

Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you


This is the exact sort of person I was talking about.