EVE General Discussion

And this is why there was so much talk prior to the patch about balancing Level 4 missions to bring the risk vs reward in line with the rest of the game.

This was why all of the level 4 missions were carefully tested to see if the game mechanics fell in line with similar PVE activities.

Oh... wait, they weren't and people are reporting that there have been significant changes to a non-insignificant portion of your average capsuleer's career. (prior to alleged genitalia growth and playing with the "grown ups" in low and null-sec)


I'm not going to argue against the opinion that AFK lvl 4 missioning is wrong. I'm not going to argue that the lvl 4 missions should be more challenging, and I think that we're close to that mark.

But level 4 missions - specifically scripted events and aggro is broken at this point. Spawns and groups have totally changed engagement protocol, and that can result in ships going pop - even if you're being careful.

Whining about it isnt productive, but neither is telling people to suck it up - what is important is being able to communicate issues with the changes without it being cluttered with derision from those people who don't play PVE anymore and thinks everyone needs to grow genitalia to match theirs and thinks that everyone should play their version of the sandbox.

If you want to help, and you're SOOOO good at running lvl 4s, perhaps posting your SPs your fit and your strategy on a couple of missions would do 2 things: it would show that you're right - that it isn't a big deal, and secondly provide newer players with a better understanding of where they need to be prior to taking on lvl 4s in terms of skills, fitting and strategy.

OR... you might find out you're talking out of a body part close to those massive genitals.

Either way - we all benefit, and the conversation improves.

What was changed about level 4 missions?

AFK misions is approved? and mining is not!! Think again stop the QQ post.....

I was wondering that as well.

Absolutely Nothing as far as I know.
The Ai is what was changed.

Some people (Babbies) are complaining that "Everything is different! the end is nigh!".
In reality the only thing that has changed about level 4s and missions in general is that you can no longer automate them in the way you used too. Targets change and people go pop. I also see alot of "BAWWW the whole room AGRROWWW now wryy!!!1!1!1"

This is also easy to handle.

There are 5 weapon systems in the game

missiles

the 3 turrets

and drones

i support these changes because they make the game more dynamic and interesting. It wasn't just drone-boat-afkers (although i did love doing that with lvl 4 missions)

it was '' one guy gets agroo in a frig and kites all the npcs in nullsec'' affairs as well.

however....Drones do need more attention.

Fedoras are not "lame".

You need to keep in mind the main demographic of people that are heavily influenced in a negative way by the new AI are people who are not actually attentively playing eve while they make money.
They have automated systems that follow a given set of patterns and because of this the player themselves has very little effort or work to put forth. The problem for them right now is suddenly rats are swapping targets and acting "smarter". Now all those bots and people who aren't paying attention are losing not just all their drones but their hulls too.

EVE is a sandbox and as such it is constantly changing sometimes for the better, this is one of those times.

The argument is and always will be this:

Effort to protect against the threat posed by a cloaked ship lurking in a system - 23/7 Vigilance

Effort to disrupt activities in a system via cloak - Login, press F1, go afk.

the only risk free ISK is selling PLEX
in a station
without ever undocking