Ships & Modules

So in other words, I was right. Wealthy industrialists do have means to get revenge.

Thank you for the clarification.

No problem. I will qualify that statement with the provision that most "wealthy industrialists" do not fall into the category of those capable of applying sufficient force to noticeably harm a major nullsec power. You must understand that the major nullsec power blocs, of which there are presently two or three depending on whom you ask, can accurately be described as "superpowers". As much as I hate to compare EVE to real life, try to imagine the wealthiest person in the world—or the ten wealthiest people in the world—attempting to make war or finance a war against Cold War-era NATO or the former Eastern Bloc. While one could look at some figures on paper and propose that such a feat ought to be possible based on the resources available, it simply would not be feasible given the infrastructure and disposition of the desired targets.

This is true of the major nullsec powers as well. While it is entirely possible—and, in fact, I believe it is provably true—that there exist wealthy industrialists or market tycoons with more liquid ISK or a greater NAV than Goonswarm Federation and our coalition, there simply does not exist anything useful to do with all that money that a small handful of individuals could do. The best one could hope to do would be to employ the likes of Noir., Pandemic Legion, and whatever other "good" mercenary outfits exist in an area denial or asset denial campaign; but, these parties would be fighting against literally thousands of players with an established infrastructure, and only for so long as the wealthy industrialist continued to pay their service fees. Relatively recent history has shown that concentrated efforts to do so have failed, exactly because of the infrastructure and manpower that can be brought to bear by the Horn of Goondor.

It is entirely possible that I am misinterpreting your definition of harm. I am assuming that you mean to deal significant and long-lasting damage such that some change in alliance-level strategy or leadership must occur. If, on the other hand, you mean simply to reinforce a few Technetium moons or to blockade the sovereignty of a few systems, then I acquiesce the point to you entirely, because it is in fact pretty simple to do those things. A small gang willing to sit through the time necessary to incapacitate a some stationary objects in space are all that is required.

Nullsec entities can be hurt but the "mercs" you suggested aren't capable of it.

Sufficient and noticeably is a matter of definition. If you destroy my empty iteron mark 3 with a couple of cargo expanders for a total of a couple of million isk and I in turn make sure that goonswarm suffer ten times that amount in losses – I can very well claim that I have paid back in kind.... times ten.

The mere fact that you have this all or nothing – defeatist mentality making you incapable of realizing the possibilities of individual action and the resourcefullness of a strong will to get even makes you a bigger carebear than the iceminers that you are ganking.




Again, please point out where in my post where I say that to get even for a ganked ship one has to hire the biggest merc-outfit in the game and cripple the entirety of the agressing organisation. And also, my post spoke in generic terms with goonswarm as an example. Are you unable to grasp the concept of exemplification or are you just too keen to protect the goon e-peen that you can't simply think in other terms?




No, that's not what I meant when I said that one can take revenge for a ganked ship.... and you know what. Noone else but you interpreted it as such. This merely looks like your way of trying to find a loophole for the hole you've dug for yourself.



That's exaclty what I meant all along and I believe it was pretty clear... but then again I'm speaking to goons so I might have had to say it in baby-language.

To clarify

I stated that industrialists who have their ship ganked can seek revenge if it is an organized, established entity that did the ganking.

Your responses have been irrelevant and inconclusive. And in the end you underlined and confirmed my initial claim.


Now are you going to continue to make a complete idiot out of yourself of will you simply admit that I am right?

Goon culture historically does not tolerate tired memes, image macros, and terrible "trolling" attempts at being funny.

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation


Before you are baffled over the lack of respect some might have towards you on the forums, you should contemplate on under which banner you are flying.

Goons, goonswarm and the likes have repeatedly showed great disrespect and outspoken contempt towards the rest of the community. Not only that you've claimed several times to purposfully pursuit the misery and destruction of the game and game experience for the rest of us. The amount of bullshit and disrespect you guys have thrown at the forums and other players over the past several years simply leads me to the proper response as to behave towards you in kind.


That explains my general tone towards you and your fellow gooners. Actions have consequences, live with it.

As for my persistense to respond to your posts have a couple of reasons:

1. I am competitive in nature and hate to see you drivel about irrelevant stuff just to hide the fact that you are wrong.

2. Since you represent one of the entities that currently are doing alot of ganking in high sec and that you don't understand the use of exemplification in a discussion and took my post as a post about goonswarm specifically– coupled with the sheer smugness and boasing of goons on the forums about this – made it important for me to underline that, yes goons can be hurt in turn. Yes, tears from goons who loose their ship are as salty as the iceminers who gets ganked in high-sec. Yes, goons DO care about internet spaceships even tho "not caring" was a dominant catchphrase of the forum warrior goons fo the longest of time.


You are a goon who cries over being treated bad after 5 years of systematic abusive behaviour by your alliance.

I was right, you were wrong.

And I thought you wanted to continue this slapfight ad infinitum?

Since I am merely responding to years of malicious behaviour from your organization, and not initiating it, I have the moral high ground. I enter every conversation with a goon with the same respect towards him/her as the goons have shown the rest of us for the longest time.

And it's not called prejudice if it is based on repeated and frequent historical occurences and in some cases condoned and encouraged as an official standpoint of your organisation. So don't kid yourself about being the victim, take responsibility.





Lyris Nairn

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But yes – above statement aside – it would make sense if you never thought we were discussing my claim because your responses never really represented what my posts said but rather built a strawman which you shot down.

I said industrialists can get even while you tried to delegitimize it by claiming that an industrialist can't bring down goonswarm himself. Two different things and an easy way for you to seemingly shoot down my argument allthough you never responded to it truthfully.

We've ganked hundreds of exhumer pilots in the last week and not a single one has retaliated in any effective way. If it's so easy for them to hurt us why aren't they doing it?

It all depends what you are shipping. If it can fit in a frig cargo bay use a raptor. it on auto pilot will move fast enaf to the gate before any one can lock it or even scan it at worst. If the haul takes up lots of cargo space use any hauler with a prototype cloak on it. DON'T FN AUTOPILOT just bare the rout and pop the cloak at each gate to get a stealth align to the next gate in case anyone if waiting for you slow ass to do a U turn, Do a couple of jumps in a empty ship 1st to get the hang of it.

If I had very expensive cargo I wanted to move into Jita, I'd overtank a Drake or a Rokh even, and move the cargo in one of those. High Omni res and the rest just tank.

Most ganks are setup for one shotting a Tengu or a small boat with valuables. They payed maybe 70-100 million each to fit a battleship and will get insurance. Whomever comes along with valuables +300 mil or so will be shot.

If they can.

It will need a very rare and big group of Battleships to get an overtanked Rokh down before Concord has blown them out of the sky.