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High Security is still no security until those that kill other players in Highsec are prevented from coming back to kill more players by Concord. It is still far too easy and far too profitable to suicide gank. The Risk vs Reward is completely off balance especially if you get an insurance payout on your T1 fitted **** ship designed to be killed after you mercilessly **** a defensless miner or hauler.

You make it sound so FUN! How can I not gank stuff after posts like this?

The risk vs reward would completely disappear for miners if you had your way. Mining in highsec would be utterly risk-free, and that's what you want. When I enter a wormhole and run anomalies, my PvE ship can't take on most PVP ships. That's a risk. The Noctis I use to salvage the sleeper wrecks is even more vulnerable. That's another risk I take. Why do I accept these risks? Because there's profit to be made.

This is Eve. Go do something dangerous for a bit.

If you're hauling high value goods in an easily-ganked ship, you're an idiot and need to shut up and accept that you took a big risk and lost. Remember that industrial ships cost FAR less than the battleships used to gank them. What you want is higher penalties from CCP because you can't be bothered to carry a billion isk worth of goods in a ship able to withstand a single gank ship. Freighter ganks require a LOT more firepower than 100 million isk can put on the field.

Once again: risk versus reward. If you want to be a cheapass and haul expensive stuff in cheap ships, you run the risk of being ganked with cheap ships. If you want to protect your goods, get a freighter. Use a blockade runner so you can cloak up and avoid being scanned. Move it in a battleship. Hire a courier that can cover the price of your stuff on collateral. Don't autopilot. Learn to watch your surroundings. There ARE ways to avoid being ganked. I've never lost a hauler to a highsec gank, even when transporting absurdly expensive goods in a bestower.

Podding gankers won't fix the problem. Go ahead and do it, it'll save us the trip back to where we stored our gank ships.

This.... the argument of "well life sucks get a helment" in EVE loses its value when you start spitting hard data on tankability of mining ships these days.

Not saying mechanics suck.

Just saying...its too easy gank sa it is.

Some....not much but SOME consideration should be given to defensive capabilities.

It's not enough for me to get loud and crazy about...yet...but its a problem that's becoming a little too obvious.

It would be nice to require a little bit more than a single ship to gank a tech 2 "mining barge" ship for crying out loud.

I agree with you that T2 barges are a bit too easy to kill but having said that, if you are not AFK mining and an obvious combat ship jumps into your belt, wouldn't you be likely to watch them closely? If they start burning towards you, wouldn't you be spamming the warp button? Of course you did align to a station or a safe spot, right?

If you are AFK mining then this is your own fault. If you are not watching local and you allow another ship that's obviously not there for some ore to close on you, then this is your fault.

Same with being ganked in a paper thin hauler. Use the tools you have and you will be safe from gankers. A corp mate and I recently had to move 2bil worth of faction mods through hi sec. We used a battleship that was tanked to hell with the other as scout. Guess what? We didn't get ganked even though there were gankers on the gates.

I have not been suicide ganked by anything in hi sec in the nearly 5 years I have been playing eve. I learned very early on from other people's mistakes not to let your guard down once you undock. The only safe place in eve with 100% security guaranteed is in station. Undock at your peril.

With all due respect.

No #### Sherlock.

And further more.... Its a little late if someone warps to your belt and approaches you with intent to kill... ever try warping out in a hulk at full 180degree turn radius to escape from alpha strike?

Thought so....

you can say what you want..but when the data hits the paper...gankers have the advantage...full alert and all.

Don't get me wrong..not saying we should nerf suicide ganking...but a balance would be nice.

In general, yes, you need to watch local carefully - we always tell the new folks that more then 15-20 in local is too crowded for a regular mining system. Ideally, you want a system with fewer then 10 regulars and not a lot of through traffic so that you can spot possible trouble when it hits local. And if something enters the belt like a newbie frigate, shuttle, etc. it does raise the nerves a bit and you do start paying closer attention.

But once the hostile lands on grid (often at optimal range because you've been scouted by a cloaky), it's basically too late to warp out a Mack / Hulk - you will be locked and alpha'd before you get up to speed. Align time on a Mackinaw is a lazy 12.9 sec, the Hulk takes 17.4 seconds to warp off from a dead-stop. Both are the size of a large barn with short lock times from a BC/BS sized ship. (The only solution to the align time is to have each hulk/mack web another hulk/mack so that everyone can escape faster. Not really possible in a fleet with members from different corporations and it makes the tank even weaker.)

General concepts that we try to explain to the younger players:
- Don't mine where the gankers tend to look (newbie systems, market hubs, main travel routes).
- Don't mine where there is a lot of traffic (look at # of jumps in past 24/48 hours).
- Don't mine where there are more then 15-20 in local.
- Tank your ship.
- Watch local.
- Watch the overview.
- Make sure that you are always clear of the asteroids so you can warp-out easily.
- Don't engage a can-flipper, just dock up at the first sign of trouble.

OP is a butthurt pubbie.... lots of other pubbies rally round him.... they all propose to "fix" High-Sec, High Sec is fine, stop yer bitching. You don't like being picked on in internet space ship game? Either fight back or stop playing. Sure you can dock n hide, but that just staves off the inevitable. So stop filling up forumspace with useless ****.

ENJOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g2Z4SnAdZg

This is hilarious. If you don't like the brutality of EVE, go play something simpler. Like Bubble Spinner or WoW.

Don't get me wrong, I hate goons too. But for completely different, perfectly legitimate reasons. What they did to you was funny.