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Bounties are serious buisness.

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Mr Pragmatic
#41 - 2012-12-05 17:49:02 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Could be nice to see option to place bounty anonymously - for additional fee (bribe) to CONCORD. Like +10%.

It will create minuscule money sink + people will be less afraid to try/use the system.



couldent you just create an alt transfer the money to the alt and then place the bounty?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2012-12-05 17:49:04 UTC
In 5 months time we are going to have a great isk sink.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#43 - 2012-12-05 17:50:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
In 5 months time we are going to have a great isk sink.
Pool mate, an ISK pool.

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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#44 - 2012-12-05 17:51:35 UTC
I guess this adds something to the new player experience:

Newbie Chat: "Hey, how do I refine ore?"

Mails from Concord: A 100k bounty has been placed on you!

Should be a nice freakout for any new player who barely has 5k isk and doesn't know bounties doesn't mean everyone will be gunning for them.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-05 17:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Dr No Game wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If I put a bounty on someone, I want it to be used; not circumvented, and I don't give a **** if it takes 60 days; only that it's there.

Right, and 100K bounties will never be used, and devalue the meaning of the bounty system when everyone has one. If there were an expiry or some similar mechanism I would be happy with that, as a 1-off 100K bounty will not make you "Wanted" for very long. Pirates who are consistently accruing lots of small bounties would still be wanted fugitives, and random carebear miners can keep their squaky-clean records.


No.

Expiring bounties doesn't encourage anyone to place higher boutnies or to use the bounty system.

If 100k isn't enough, the OBVIOUS answer would be to raise the miminum requirement.

Bounties have NOTHING to do with whether or not an individual is a criminal. Just because a bounty is used to encourage others to catch the criminal, does not mean that bounties mean you're a criminal.

If you raise the minimum requirement, newer players who can't afford to just throw out millions of isk wouldn't be able to use the system. Sinse there are several hundred thousand potential contributors to the bounty system, it can be expected that the more criminal acts that a person engages in the more likely someone is going to ADD to their bounty.


Expiring boutnies would only reduce the number of bounties that are on "the market".


Edit: you're arguement is that the day after capital punishment was made legal the crime rate didn't drop.

The bounty system hasn't been in place 48 hours yet and you guys are complaining about people with low bounties. How about giving it time and seeing what happens?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#46 - 2012-12-05 18:03:08 UTC
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^

Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout)


As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done.

Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing

Its a percentage of whats destroyed. So if you have an alt blow up your 500,000 isk ship, the alt gets 100,000. Your net loss: 400,000. If you had a 20 million isk bounty on you, you would have the alt blow you up when you were in a 100 million isk ship in order to clear it. Your net loss: 80 million.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-12-05 18:08:24 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
Nyaris Wolfe wrote:
Also if it gets high enough you can always claim your own ^^

Please show me an example where claiming your own bounty is a good idea. (Hint, they changed payout)


As far as I'm aware theres no law against second accounts, and it's percentage of damage done.

Unless I'm missing something else, in which case enlightenment can never be a bad thing

Its a percentage of whats destroyed. So if you have an alt blow up your 500,000 isk ship, the alt gets 100,000. Your net loss: 400,000. If you had a 20 million isk bounty on you, you would have the alt blow you up when you were in a 100 million isk ship in order to clear it. Your net loss: 80 million.

They don't seem to be making the connection to the point that you can use the system to lose less. They're seeing it as "you lost" and not "you took it upon yourself to clear the bounty and lose less then you would otherwise."

And sinse there's no way for CCP to prevent it, it's a moot point. As long as you can't profit from it yourself, than it's working as intended.

Neither side is right or wrong, just arguing over something that can only be fixed by removing the bounty system.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-12-05 18:11:52 UTC
bounty system is awesome. 100k who cares. quit your whining. i bet half of you posted for years OMG FIX THE BOUNTY SYSTEM ITS BROKEN..
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#49 - 2012-12-05 18:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
nah the small entry level is fine. It adds up if you are a bad guy.. and if not nobody cares. HOWEVER, there should be a mechanic how you can get rid of the bounties without exploding. For example by paying them yourself. I mean what should freighter pilots do to get rid of the bounties? They never pvp or anything like that.


That is actually a very good suggestion. It will solve the problem of people not wanting their 100k isk bounty, as well as become a neat little ISK sink :)

Then we can allow miners to pay CONCORD to make them immune to suicide ganks for a period of time; that would be neat little ISK sink as well.

Pardon me guys,
Are you saying that you advocate developer created mechanics that allow players to negate player driven mechanics?

Let me see.
Pay 1 million to clear my bounty that is ecnouraging more people to blow up my 1 billion ISK ship full of loot?

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

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Skorpynekomimi
#50 - 2012-12-05 18:23:47 UTC
I dunno, I think it's working as intended. Without kill rights, the only real risk for a small bounty is the usual gankers outside trade hubs. Or a little bonus for gatecamps.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-12-05 18:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Bienator II wrote:

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. Write the person that put the bounty on you and see if you can pay them to remove it.

YOU get nothing for placing a bounty on someone.


Paying an NPC to remove a bounty that a PLAYER put on you is beyond senseless. It's just a means of circumventing player driven content, and has no place in the bounty system.

PS: This is why you shouldn't be able to place bounties annonimously. The person who you put a bounty on should know who put it there.

If you want to do it without anyone know it was you, then use a proxy. A person that ISN'T you.
Annonymous bounties LIMITS emergent content.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#52 - 2012-12-05 18:28:37 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.

Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb!

Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again.

Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL.

Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth.

Thx, DEIFER.


Oh dear. This is classic grief.
PUT BOUNTIES ON ALL THE ROOKIES!!!1111ONEONEONE
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-12-05 18:34:35 UTC
I think the system is a lot cleverer than you give it credit. Those 100k bounties that no one will supposedly "give a **** about" they're only going to matter in a lot of cases to small time players, because they're the only ones who would be hurt by such a small bounty. Who are the only bounty hunters that will give 2 ***** about a 100k bounty?

Small time bounty hunters.

It's a deceptively simple yet effective system.

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Codie Dunier
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-12-05 19:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Codie Dunier
MilitantMan wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?

And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-12-05 19:09:03 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?

And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.

Both of you are confused.

Bounty doesn't mean criminal.

Both of you deserve high bounties for being so risk averse. It's probably why the first guy got his. I doubt it was just "random".
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#56 - 2012-12-05 19:12:04 UTC
I'm still under 500k bounty.

I'm a little disappointed, to be honest.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mag's
Azn Empire
#57 - 2012-12-05 19:12:59 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.

Pretty much, I got a bounty on my head and did not even play EVE mechanics yet. So even if you are not provoking anyone. you can get a bounty on you. That's dumb!

Raise the initial bounty to at least10mil and if no one get you within a month or so... Lower the bounty by a percentage until someone raise it again.

Bounty should only be inflicted on a pilot that deserve it. NOT ME! LOL.

Also if a pilot decide to place another amount of a pilot, he can only do it once for a week or so, therefore when you place a bounty, make sure you are placing it for what it is worth.

Thx, DEIFER.


Oh dear. This is classic grief.
PUT BOUNTIES ON ALL THE ROOKIES!!!1111ONEONEONE
I would suggest not placing bounties on new players, you may end up on the wrong side of CCP.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#58 - 2012-12-05 19:15:15 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Exactly! I just got in EVE tonight and I was asking about it in the HELP chat and right away, 5 or 6 pilots drop a bounty on me just for the hell of it. Now, it is up to 3.3mil + ISK and I have not even left the station.



Thx, DEIFER.


this was always going to be a problem where ppl could just grief people by adding bounties but as usual CCP dont listen. I think the whole bounty thing is a mess. I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?

And even then, it would be easiest to handle if you can only place bounties on people you have an active PVP-flag towards while the flag is active. That way, bounties can only be placed on people who deserve it, and if you want to put a bounty on them, it must be while they're still hostile towards you. Putting bounties on someone just for the heck of it makes no more sense than launching nuclear missiles at allies during practice-matches. And yes, that actually happens from time to time.
I place bounties on people I decide are of a low standing to me. That fact makes all your ranting irrelevant.

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Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics
#59 - 2012-12-05 19:45:24 UTC
Codie Dunier wrote:
I think you should only be able to put a bounty on someone IF THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WRONG. So if they got any criminal flags.. Make sense eh?


Well no, this would insulate the people who REALLY need bounties on their heads ... corp thieves, scammers and those annoying jerks who spam Jita.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#60 - 2012-12-05 19:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bienator II wrote:

rather the option to pay the complete bounty yourself. its still all player driven

As long as the person who issued the bounty can also retract the bounty, you have that option. .

nope. if somebody decides to put a bounty on somebody the isk is gone. If the victim really dislikes a bounty he just pays it of his pocket. The damage is done. It is a double isk sink. It would not invalidate the bounty so there is no reason why the bounty payer would have to get something back. You just decide between exploding and paying it.

edit: no player driven content is removed in any way. Its still all player driven. If CCP doesn't add something like that you will soon have freighter pilots which game the game to get rid of the bounty via alts to be clean when they have to fly expensive stuff. Same problem as with the old bounties, just in a different dimension.

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