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When will Logistics pilots get on Kill Mails?
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Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#21 - 2012-12-05 15:35:17 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Renier Gaden wrote:
Schalac wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2269512#post2269512

You get to be on KMs when you are flagged as a WT when you rep someone that is at war with another person.


I followed your link and it looks like you have discovered an oversight that needs to be fixed, but do you happen to have a link to support what you said in this thread? I have not participated in any wars, so I am not as familiar with the mechanics, but if Logi are getting on kill mails for repping in that situation I would like to know more.
HUH?

What I was saying is if they put logi on a kill mail, then they better fix the neutral logi not becoming aggressed when they rep a WT you are fighting. As it stands right now a WT can sit there and have 9000 neutral reps and as long as he has no flags you can't shoot the logi that is repping him. I feel that is a massive oversight on the way aggression works with the flags and war target mechanics.


Oh, I see.

Yes, I completely agree with you!

If you rep a Suspect you get a Suspect flag, but someone who is in legal combat is not a Suspect. Definitely an oversight. They need to do something about that.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#22 - 2012-12-05 15:36:25 UTC
Flying logi is its own reward (also drones for getting onto mails are the best)
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#23 - 2012-12-05 15:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Renier Gaden
The Logi wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
I guess logis in killmails will be coded right after ability to switch pilots without re-launching game.


This is my biggest problem with EVE. I ***** about it literally all the time. This is a feature that has been standard for over 10 years in almost every MMO (let alone one that advocates the use of alts as hard as EVE does). People have told me EVE used to have this feature, and it was removed years ago because it was buggy. That makes it even worse.


I agree 100%.

It is off topic though. If anyone wants to comment further on the need to switch characters without having to re-log, can you make a new thread and just post a link here for those who are interested?

Edit: Also bonus points for your name.
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#24 - 2012-12-05 15:47:53 UTC
WHY YOU CARE

I FLY LOGI

NO KILLMAILS

I DONT CARE

SATISFACTION OF SAVING FRIENDS IS ENOUGH
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#25 - 2012-12-05 15:49:29 UTC
Killboards are what is important in EVE, right guys?

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#26 - 2012-12-05 16:29:15 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Killboards are what is important in EVE, right guys?

Says the guy without a single Logistics loss on his killboard and a 4:1 success ratio. If killboards are not important, why don’t YOU fly Logistics?

The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2012-12-05 16:35:03 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Killboards are what is important in EVE, right guys?

Says the guy without a single Logistics loss on his killboard and a 4:1 success ratio. If killboards are not important, why don’t YOU fly Logistics?



HE NOT NEED FLY LOGI

I FLY LOGI

HE DOES PEW PEW

CALLED "SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP"

DO YOU EVEN BASIC EDUCATION
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#28 - 2012-12-05 16:46:10 UTC
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
WHY YOU CARE

I FLY LOGI

NO KILLMAILS

I DONT CARE

SATISFACTION OF SAVING FRIENDS IS ENOUGH

Do you now? I waded through the first 10 pages of your ship losses and did not see a single Logistics ship listed. Am I to suppose that the other Logi in your Alliance only rep you when you are flying Logistics? It looks to me like you are a DPS pilot Trolling me with no credentials to back up your statement.

I am not saying that there are not legitimate Logi pilots who share the sentiments you are espousing. I am just saying that I think you are only pretending to be one of those pilots in order to Troll me.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#29 - 2012-12-05 16:50:27 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
WHY YOU CARE

I FLY LOGI

NO KILLMAILS

I DONT CARE

SATISFACTION OF SAVING FRIENDS IS ENOUGH

Do you now? I waded through the first 10 pages of your ship losses and did not see a single Logistics ship listed. Am I to suppose that the other Logi in your Alliance only rep you when you are flying Logistics? It looks to me like you are a DPS pilot Trolling me with no credentials to back up your statement.

I am not saying that there are not legitimate Logi pilots who share the sentiments you are espousing. I am just saying that I think you are only pretending to be one of those pilots in order to Troll me.


because killboards are 100% the best representation of any activities performed in eve amirite?

wumbo
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#30 - 2012-12-05 16:52:02 UTC
As much as I would love it if every dude I fly with saw the fight as reward enough...itfeelsbad when some of your most valuable fleet mates get left out of the killboard celebration for a good slaughter.
Also, almost every pilot in my corp is a Logi 5 pilot...does this mean we always get enough logi when we need it? Of course not. People want killmails.
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2012-12-05 17:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djentleman Paulson
Renier Gaden wrote:
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
WHY YOU CARE

I FLY LOGI

NO KILLMAILS

I DONT CARE

SATISFACTION OF SAVING FRIENDS IS ENOUGH

Do you now? I waded through the first 10 pages of your ship losses and did not see a single Logistics ship listed. Am I to suppose that the other Logi in your Alliance only rep you when you are flying Logistics? It looks to me like you are a DPS pilot Trolling me with no credentials to back up your statement.

I am not saying that there are not legitimate Logi pilots who share the sentiments you are espousing. I am just saying that I think you are only pretending to be one of those pilots in order to Troll me.



LOL THIS GUY THINK I FLY LOGI ON MY MAIN


edit:

rest in peace guardian
https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=616543

and scimi
https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=571296


we tend not to lose many logistics ships
and i really dont give a **** that i dont get on any killmails when i fly it
like i said earlier, the reward is knowing you helped save your spacefriends
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#32 - 2012-12-05 17:14:17 UTC
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
Renier Gaden wrote:
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
WHY YOU CARE

I FLY LOGI

NO KILLMAILS

I DONT CARE

SATISFACTION OF SAVING FRIENDS IS ENOUGH

Do you now? I waded through the first 10 pages of your ship losses and did not see a single Logistics ship listed. Am I to suppose that the other Logi in your Alliance only rep you when you are flying Logistics? It looks to me like you are a DPS pilot Trolling me with no credentials to back up your statement.

I am not saying that there are not legitimate Logi pilots who share the sentiments you are espousing. I am just saying that I think you are only pretending to be one of those pilots in order to Troll me.



LOL THIS GUY THINK I FLY LOGI ON MY MAIN


edit:

rest in peace guardian
https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=616543

and scimi
https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=571296


we tend not to lose many logistics ships
and i really dont give a **** that i dont get on any killmails when i fly it
like i said earlier, the reward is knowing you helped save your spacefriends

And yet, in a Logi thread, you still post on the character with the best Killboard stats...
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#33 - 2012-12-05 17:16:19 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:

And yet, in a Logi thread, you still post on the character with the best Killboard stats...



WAT YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE CHARACTER FOR FORUM POSTING?

LOLNO
Reidar Oskald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-12-05 17:22:00 UTC
I feel that, as stated earlier, the new lower T1 logi frigs/cruisers will change CCP's stance on KillMails for logi reps. Enough High Sec CareBears cry that their new 'logi profession' doesn't get them accolades will get this change pushed through. I know they were planning on adding logi to KillMails earlier this year, and like the other poster, surprised it wasn't in Retribution.

In regards to Logi pilots as they are now, AKA Tech 2 cruisers with Logi 5 (or 4 going to 5), I know saving your corpmates and contributing to the fight is reward enough. I also know some Alliances/corps give prizes to the best performing members on the KillBoard, and to alleviate this for the Logi pilots, they give a salary to Logi pilots as thanks for their dedication. I know I enjoy Logi more than the pew-pew, to be honest, and also know the Logi have the gratitude of our fleets when we are a deciding factor.

Reidar
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#35 - 2012-12-05 18:38:33 UTC
I started this thread now because I am standing on the precipice, having to grapple with abandoning my killboard stats in order to dive into life as a Logistics pilot. There is no going back, at least not easily. Inevitably I will loose ships. My fleet commander is one of those guys who will stand and fight unless there is absolutely no chance of victory, and even then he may choose a glorious death over a tactical retreat. My losses will pile up without any kills to balance them out.

In time I too will care nothing for my killboard stats, as my killboard will be meaningless. Killboards tell such a small part of a Logistics pilot’s story. But I have not yet taken that leap, I have not yet lost a logistics ship, and it still pains me to give up the yard stick that others judge me by.

Yes, I realize the importance of Logistics pilots, and yes my Alliance recognizes their importance as well. Many Logistics pilots say that the recognition they get from their Fleets, Corp, and Alliance is all they need. These things are important to me as well, otherwise I would not have committed so much of my skill training toward this goal. However, it just feels punitive to give up any recognition outside of my Alliance in order to fully commit to Logistics.

I will not have a main that just pew pew’s, who I can use to post on the forums to show how good a PVP pilot I am. Both my accounts will be going full Logistics. My focus will be the welfare of my fleet and I will not distract myself trying to whore on killmails. Only if I have the luxury of time and position, such as while gate camping, would I engage in such antics, and such situations are not likely to happen often enough to have a meaningful effect on my killboard. I would rather carry repair drones anyway.

I may be whining a bit, but dam it, I am about to jump in with both feet and the water looks cold!
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-12-05 19:13:00 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:

I may be whining a bit, but dam it, I am about to jump in with both feet and the water looks cold!

Jump.

You can still game the kill mail system if you want to.
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#37 - 2013-02-14 17:46:05 UTC
Once upon a time it was actually a major tactical error for Logi to put drones/whoreguns on targets, because as long as they didn't they could still jump and/or dock if needed. Now, if you rep someone that has a weapons flag, you are just as stuck as they are, so in all honesty I'd expect even the most disciplined logi pilots of the past to change their policy on the use of whoredrones.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-02-14 17:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Why should you get on killmails?
Why does it even matter?

(Inb4 "James, you don't fly logi either."
Well no I don't, I like flying DPS. I don't fly DPS because of killmails though)

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#39 - 2013-02-14 17:52:11 UTC
Like KMs and Killboard stats is all what matters in this game. Roll

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#40 - 2013-02-14 18:06:48 UTC
Being a logistics and helping out your fellow fleetmemeber is its own reward. If you want killmails, being a logistics is not for you.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?