EVE General Discussion

Hmmm Whine on gd in the hopes ccp will change it back? Win.

To be fair, that seems to be the most efficient way of getting favorable concessions from CCP nowadays.

This isn't a whine thread. Someone posted earlier itt saying the same thing about the EULA, but they didn't say what it was.

-you steal, draw a suspect flag
-they come in a hauler and take the ore and fly home, and you can't do **** about it

Yeah you can use an alt or something, but that basically doubles the effort involved
Or you can shoot the can, but then they have less incentive to try to confront out about it.

This isn't a whine thread

Bumping doesn't do enough and suicide ganking is pointless if they're in a T1 ship. What else is there?

This is about the effort you now have to put into canflipping in order to get anything out of it.
A: Because of the mack buff, much fewer people jetcan mine, because they don't need to.
B: Because of the new rules, you basically have to bring an alt with you, or else the miner can just steal the can back from you and ignore you.

Combine the two and there's zero point in can flipping anymore.

Yeah you can use an alt or something, but that basically doubles the effort involved
Or you can shoot the can, but then they have less incentive to try to confront out about it.

I don't want to do this for lack of alternatives.

Seriously. If you're mining in a mack, which most solo miners will, there is literally no reason to ever drop a jetcan for more than like 2 seconds

a: the mackinaw buff means you find 1/10 the targets you used to, making it pointless to go out in the first pace
b: if you do go out and do somehow manage to find someone jetcan mining, and steal from them, they can just steal it back without consequence

Yeah i wasnt in it for the money at all, i liked trolling them and i liked the feeling that i was making mining more dangerous and adding a decision element to mining (ie, is the reward of jetcan mining worth the risk). A decision element that no longer exists.

And I was even willing to put up with spending 2 hours looking for a target, although I did it way less often than I did before the mack buff. But now I have to either spend 2 hours looking for a target while having to deal with pulling an alt along, or spend to hours searching by myself and then watch helplessly as the miner just steals the can back. It's just not worth the effort.

You need the alt because without the alt they can just steal the can back from you and ignore you



I'm not going to use an alt to steal because that takes way more effort than I'm willing to put in.

CCP trying to make hisec safer is not a good thought. More hisec carebears paying for subs is probably good for their bottom line, but it's not good for the quality of the game.

given how few people jetcan mine anymore because of the mackinaw buff, its not worth dragging around an alt or a second person.

Man, you're really good at this psychoanalysis stuff. But you forgot to tell me how many people ive had sex with and how thick my neckbeard is to complete the analysis.

But seriously though, do people like you not realize how butthurt you sound when you make posts like this? You have no clue who I am, what I do for a living, what I do in this game (aside from this). All you know is that I (used to)spend a couple hours a month pestering miners, and apparently that makes me criminally psychotic. I don't think so.

As for goals, you do realize you're playing a video game, right? A sandbox video game, implying it's specifically designed to not have specific game-ending conditions. IE you can make all the ISK you want, but the credits screen is never going to start rolling. If you gain sovereignty over the whole galaxy, a "Game over, you won!" screen does not appear. You cannot settle down with a family and raise children and have a life. In the end it all comes down to whether you have fun or not. I happen to have fun giggling like a schoolgirl when a miner gets so mad he starts typing at me in all caps and making typos and threatening to report me to the GM's.[/quote]

You're the one who should realize he's playing a video game. As I wrote previously, you do not strive for ingame goals when you try to annoy other players. You're getting an emotional kick out of picturing some random Joe whom you have no reason to have a beef with, raging and foaming at the mouth and writing to GMs. This is a purely metagame pursuit. This is filth. This is unnatural. This does not belong in a video game.

Are you man enough to do the same IRL? Are you able to troll people when going to bars, or stuff like that? I, for one, will ridicule, badmouth and verbally confront hipsters, for example, who are useless, gentrifying rich kids whose unconscious agenda is the continuous consolidation of upper class wealth -through networking in the PR and art spheres-. I have a reason to have a beef with them, as they're detrimental to society, and I take it to them IRL.

Now, EvE Online is a goddamn video game. Which means, it's supposed to be fun for everyone involved, just as in a tabletop or p&p gaming session. In those, annoying people going out of their way to be jerks are not reinvited. Unfortunately, CCP has a very lenient policy concerning online arseholes, as they bring in maximum revenue for a low playerbase (griefing, ganking etc requires several accounts to escape consequences, as well as several for the people who want to escape such ganking, too): since a single shard can only accommodate so many simultaneous players, it's better to have a low playerbase with a high alt count, most of those alt using little data sent and received, should they be simultaneously logged.


All this to say, while CCP condones your actions, you could try to think long and hard about why you enjoy so much being a nuisance online. Fun in games is not a zero-sum equation, you don't have to make people angry in order for you to have fun.