These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

The problem with killrights (IE: How to make boatloads of ISK from them right now)

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#21 - 2012-12-05 11:24:20 UTC
Scrutt5 wrote:
Non PVPers won't buy your killrights.
PVPers will see obtaining the kill is next to pointless.


Remind me how is this gonna make you millions of isk.

Yeah, they will, lol. Make yourself an enticing enough target, and even a bear might take a swipe. Use their greed against them.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-12-05 11:47:26 UTC
No issue here :)

Anyone who activates a killright is responsible for doing it in a situation where they can get the maximum benefit. There is only so much handholding we can do.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#23 - 2012-12-05 11:49:51 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
There is only so much handholding we can do.

Really? I'd like to call you out on that one.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2012-12-05 11:50:43 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
There is only so much handholding we can do.

Really? I'd like to call you out on that one.


Alright, there is only so much handholding I'm willing to do Big smile
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#25 - 2012-12-05 11:54:27 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
It's amazing how every new feature of EVE can be abused as new type of scam.


Working as intended.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-05 12:03:15 UTC
so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#27 - 2012-12-05 12:04:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here

That was the intent, yes, and so far it's failing spectacularly.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-05 12:16:11 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andski wrote:
so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here

That was the intent, yes, and so far it's failing spectacularly.


You mean to tell me that a ~huge~ part of the new killright system is dead on arrival? I am shocked!

I was hoping for a feature that allowed you to pay someone to exercise a killright within x amount of time, putting the ISK in escrow. Maybe allowing the client to specify that the damage incurred by the target must exceed a given value, with a collateral option in case the killright is wasted on something not meeting that goal.

But I guess the idea of paying somebody so you can fight their battles was easier to implement or something.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Doddy
Excidium.
#29 - 2012-12-05 12:18:59 UTC
I don't see the problem here, anyone trying to take a killright on an unagressed ship at undock is throwing isk away regardless of how the killright was created, anyone dumb enough to do this gets what they deserve.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#30 - 2012-12-05 12:28:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andski wrote:
so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here

That was the intent, yes, and so far it's failing spectacularly.


You mean to tell me that a ~huge~ part of the new killright system is dead on arrival? I am shocked!

I was hoping for a feature that allowed you to pay someone to exercise a killright within x amount of time, putting the ISK in escrow. Maybe allowing the client to specify that the damage incurred by the target must exceed a given value, with a collateral option in case the killright is wasted on something not meeting that goal.

But I guess the idea of paying somebody so you can fight their battles was easier to implement or something.

You mean you were expecting the kill right system to emulate a realistic bounty collection process, in which a person with the kill right hires another person to go after the kill right target, pays him to do so, and has methods of ensuring satisfaction or withholding payment in the case of non-completion? Instead of a system where collecting a kill right means paying its owner for the privilege of going after the perpetrator, and then pushing a button that makes said perpetrator a target for everyone in the universe, instead of just the bounty hunter himself, or maybe his corporation?

LOL.

I like the cut of your jib, kid. No, seriously. It's like the only thing I can see from your portrait.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-12-05 12:32:23 UTC
A lot of this isn't so much creating a bounty hunting system, but more a system of a player run police force able to hunt targets who do wrong.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#32 - 2012-12-05 12:48:18 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
A lot of this isn't so much creating a bounty hunting system, but more a system of a player run police force able to hunt targets who do wrong.

Which won't change the bottom line, because carebears are cowards and won't take advantage of this system anyway, and non-carebears already had the means to police other players, so this is really just another half-assed, unnecessary feature.

They could have made a bounty-hunting system that Andski and I so subtly hinted on, and it would have added a lot to the game, but they didn't. Whether it's because of laziness or desperate need for soccer-mom dollars we'll never know. I'd venture to guess a combination of both.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-12-05 12:57:05 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
A lot of this isn't so much creating a bounty hunting system, but more a system of a player run police force able to hunt targets who do wrong.


And pays for the privilege.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-12-05 13:00:31 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
A lot of this isn't so much creating a bounty hunting system, but more a system of a player run police force able to hunt targets who do wrong.


Oh I hope that will happen so badly....

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2012-12-05 13:06:27 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
It's amazing how every new feature of EVE can be abused as new type of scam.
It would be a horribly poorly implemented feature if it couldn't.
Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-05 13:28:20 UTC
I really dont understand, what the problem is.

Somebody pays money to shoot someone else in docking range? Who is that stupid?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2012-12-05 13:35:18 UTC
Angelina Joliee wrote:
I really dont understand, what the problem is.

Somebody pays money to shoot someone else in docking range? Who is that stupid?

It's a scam. Look at Jita local and tell me that there isn't an obvious and sufficiently large market for taking advantage of people who fall for scams. Twisted
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#38 - 2012-12-05 13:36:59 UTC
Stupid people losing ISK? check
Smart people profiting from stupidity? check
Someone occasionally dies in the process? check
sounds like EVE to meTwisted
i would say working as intended
CCP Falcon
#39 - 2012-12-05 14:14:42 UTC
Cut the trolling in this thread, several posts have been removed.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#40 - 2012-12-05 15:35:34 UTC
This is a lot of effort for 5-10mil every 15 minutes, I can make more ratting.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli