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For all the Drone users

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AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-05 10:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-05 10:42:15 UTC
I still think CCP may buff drone HP after all of the crying. But at least the sleeper AI is still here to stay.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-12-05 10:44:45 UTC
Webzz + Gardes and drone dancing. Solved problem

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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2012-12-05 10:44:53 UTC
I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo Blink
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-12-05 10:45:39 UTC
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.

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Bing Khagah
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-12-05 10:47:30 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-05 10:50:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pvp'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making any isk at all.

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2012-12-05 10:50:08 UTC
Bing Khagah wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging

I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.


This too, it really shouldnt be a problem.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-05 10:50:54 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk

Fixed.

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starbelt stacy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-05 10:53:03 UTC
umm no sorry simply recalling your drones doesnt work like .... i tired it and it doesnt work the drones that are already targeted and nearly popped within 10secs from launch dont respond.... and thats on the first group in the room.

some rooms you have 4+ groups of npcs, navy raven which i use only can carry 10 t2med drones and some missions there are 5 rooms with about 15+ groups of npcs so do the math if you can.... it isnt hard to work out this is a nerf to l4 mission runners who dont go afk.

hate me if ya like im always partial to hate mail
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-05 10:53:16 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo Blink


Thanks a bunch, keyboard slip
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-05 10:54:43 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk

Fixed.


are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues?

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Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-12-05 10:56:28 UTC
I thought for a moment this thread might have some useful insights. Color me disappointed.

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#14 - 2012-12-05 10:58:24 UTC
Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-12-05 11:00:12 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.


to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk

Fixed.


are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues?

Try again.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus
#16 - 2012-12-05 11:14:12 UTC
My only question (which I will answer for myself later today) about the drone changes is not related to afk drone-boating. I have ~600k in drones (just enough to have T2 scout drones and some support skills) and I run around in a CNR. Cruise missiles don't work very well against frigs, so I used to get aggro, then send drones to kill the frigs...however even in the past, the frigs would often switch to my drones and I'd lose one or two over the course of a mission...no big deal, buy another couple next time I am at a station. Oft times I would just tank everything and kill all the big stuff and after it was all gone, I'd send drones out to kill a frig, return to bay to rep their shields, rinse, and repeat until all the frigs were gone. Is this going to change, or is it pretty much this now?
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#17 - 2012-12-05 11:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are?

I mean, could you just drop some bouncer 2's and let them go to work as you advance in front of them while remaining closer to the NPC's than your drones are?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-12-05 11:21:05 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.


I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones.

That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder. Roll

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Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-05 11:23:07 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.

Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.

Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up



Maybe it would be slightly more comforting if what you said was true. Not all of us have done these "450" missions. For instance, I have barely got to the tough end of finally almost getting my drone boat. I've been training for this ever since I started on this game and now I almost have it.. Just to see it being ruined.

But yeah, thank you.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-05 11:27:48 UTC
dexington wrote:

are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues?


nope, he's tryig to spin the same old nulsec lie

that risk in 1 place is somehow riskier than somewhere else
when risk is defined as your ship blowing up







the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station
but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk.
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