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MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-05 09:50:34 UTC
We have before risen a question of CCP removing the ability to eject from T3 while in battle, so that to prevent SP loss.

The answer was this:

CCP Masterplan wrote:

This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place


Now, thanks to some guys ho have found it and posted, but here is a three-year old devblog stating the following:
Quote:
Ejecting or self-destructing does prevent the penalty, giving players an incentive to abandon ship from time to time.


By this I would like to accuse CCP Masterplan and CCP in general in openly lying to their playerbase with an intention to justify their ill-thought over design changes.

PS. Will this topic be deleted - you are minus 5 accounts.
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#2 - 2012-12-05 09:51:56 UTC
This topic just oozes butthurt.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#3 - 2012-12-05 09:53:08 UTC
was it 2.2B Tengu ?

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Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#4 - 2012-12-05 09:54:32 UTC
I didn't know they changed it so you couldn't... that seems somewhat of a dumb idea though.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-12-05 09:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterAl tt1
Turelus wrote:
I didn't know they changed it so you couldn't... that seems somewhat of a dumb idea though.

You are not able to eject with some flag now. Meaning if you have been firing on someone - you are toast if get caught.
Liaria Cullen
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-12-05 10:03:08 UTC
They want there to be a risk involved with commiting, now when you rep on a station or gate you're commited, same with engaging in a t3. once you commit it's do or die. Although i agree that turning around and changing a feature like this on a ship that isnt just a risk of isk is perhaps not wise.
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#7 - 2012-12-05 10:05:14 UTC
MisterAl tt1 wrote:
Turelus wrote:
I didn't know they changed it so you couldn't... that seems somewhat of a dumb idea though.

You are not able to eject with some flag now. Meaning if you have been firing on someone - you are toast if get caught.


So the changed made because of HighSec suicide ganking, effected something else?
I didn't know many people who did eject from T3's but still... I always thought the idea you could was pretty neat.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#8 - 2012-12-05 10:08:08 UTC
Is the guy who wrote the old statement even with the company anymore?

Whatever they intended three years ago, now they clearly intend to not let you eject when weapon-flagged.

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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-05 10:08:17 UTC
when fighting a T3, just slow DPS when their tank is broken... wait for them to hop out and then jack their ship. enjoy the profits
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-12-05 10:08:23 UTC
Turelus wrote:

So the changed made because of HighSec suicide ganking, effected something else?

It is believe they made it to prevent swapping ship from Orca in PVP. T3 just got kicked by the same change and they go "explaining" in that "not intended" way.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-12-05 10:10:06 UTC
The change was made because people were parking Orcas at lowsec gates, and scooping T3 ships that were in risk of being lost.
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-05 10:11:33 UTC
I agree with CCP on this, if they have the skillpoint penalty then it should be implemented. At the moment its kind of like corporation tax, the companies that know what they are doing can simply avoid it. The previous statement from CCP just sounded like a poor excuse, I hope the penalty is now implemented properly.
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-05 10:15:56 UTC
Emu Meo, it would've been fine if they said "we have changed our mind". But no, they tell a fairy-tale of "never intended"!!!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-05 10:17:07 UTC
This doesn't penalize using T3s. It penalizes PVPing in T3s.
If you penalize something, people will do less of it. Ensure penalty for blowing up always results in the sec status loss, and even less people will risk PVPing in their T3s than they did before.
This change = less T3s getting blown up.
Not good.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#15 - 2012-12-05 10:17:38 UTC
I was never fast enough to save my SP when I was ganked...

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#16 - 2012-12-05 10:19:08 UTC
I like it because I'm tired of all those massive T3-only fleets. Now nerf the insane buffertank of the Proteus and we may see some variety again.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#17 - 2012-12-05 10:19:27 UTC
what is 4 days extra training to regain that level 5 subsystem worth ? not much if you ask me
t3 are already pretty easy to train , and the only downside is their price tag
trully if you can not stand the loss in one of your subsystem skills , just do not fly them

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MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-05 10:31:01 UTC
pussenheels, I cannot stand being lied to.
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-05 10:34:17 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
what is 4 days extra training to regain that level 5 subsystem worth ? not much if you ask me
t3 are already pretty easy to train , and the only downside is their price tag
trully if you can not stand the loss in one of your subsystem skills , just do not fly them


this

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Emu Meo
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-05 10:38:17 UTC
Exactly, dont fly them if you cant take the loss, I completely agree. As for the consequence that this now means we wont see 30 man blob fleets of T3 cruisers,,,,, is that meant to be a bad thing?
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