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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Andrea Momaki
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-12-05 03:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Momaki
I think that name changes are fine as long as there is a way to see past names at a glance.

There is a reason they call it the "character bazaar". You're buying a character, not a bag of skill points.
White Tree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2012-12-05 03:46:37 UTC
I've always been for this, but you know it'll result in people shitting their pants and crying about slippery slopes and shooting Jita monuments.

Former member of CSM6.

psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2012-12-05 04:00:07 UTC
Id rather a system in place were i could reset sp some stuff i trained years ago on few alts are totaly useless as never get used if i could get that sp bck and put into other skills id pay few plex for that

but no to name or history change tbh

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it

Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2012-12-05 06:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Teinyhr wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.

-----stuff----

Think longer next time



Take your own advice. How many times it need be said you can circumvent consequences with alts. PLEXes made this even easier. There's like one person I know who hasn't wussed out of bad rep (altough in his case, magnificient bastard rep), that is Istvaan Shogaatsu.
And it has been said that an intergral part of this name change things would be the introduction of an "identity history" tab.


This. ^^

Most of the arguments are misguided as a result. Though alts are a good financial model for CCP, which I have nothing against.

However, most reputations are meaningless, those that are not are not likely to be sold/renamed (without notice), and if they are, so what? More Eve mischief?

If you want to hire decent people, do proper voice interviews to start, so an alt doesn't come back to bite you in the arse or become your next corp-breaking drama queen, for one. Get to know people. Maybe such a move would encourage better use of voice comms.

Character names are useful for local and PvP scouts -- but toons/alts are bought/sold/created daily.


How many people in this game do you REALLY know?

There may be valid arguments for or against name changes but reputation/living with consequences isn't one of them, in most cases.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#205 - 2012-12-05 07:13:02 UTC
My 2 cents...

EVE Online is about actions and consequences... as Retribution demonstrates.

If you create a character and name it "Twinky Asshat" and then go on to kill, steal, scam and generally cause mayhem, you should then NOT be able to turn around, change the name, wipe the history and sell if for a profit. There should be consequences for your actions. If your name or history lowers the value on the Character Bazaar, then it seems that EVE is working as intended. However, I would point out that a character with those attributes might be desirable to some individuals.

Likewise, if you are too lazy to create a new character, you should not be given the option of changing the name on a bought character or change its history. That is the consequences of being LAZY. If you like the character but not the name, move on... there will be another character with another name available soon.

ande
Exertus
#206 - 2012-12-05 07:21:11 UTC
I didn't like my corp history, so I removed it. ;-)
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-12-05 07:51:14 UTC
100$ bucks? That's madness.

Just slap a separator on the corp history when a character gets sold. Just a bold line with annotation will do just fine.

It knows what you think.

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2012-12-05 09:08:40 UTC
I read though the first few pages looking up some points. Heres my thought.

If there was some form of corp history/name change, there should always be some way in game of the truth of the matter being identified, Ideally though other players. This to me may lead to an interesting manhunt/private eye profession. One that requires someone to go out and talk to individuals etc etc. Add to the bounty system just implemented a manhunt board whereas tracking down the new identity of a person would be awesome. Personally, i think this would be rather interesting...

but I have absolutely no idea how to make it work.

Otherwise I have no problem with the idea of plex for name-change and corp history wipe (perhaps not completely remove the corp name but during their time of employment replace it with 'restricted' or something... so people will know you where employed by someone at that time... but no idea to who)
JaseNZ
EG CORP
#209 - 2012-12-05 09:48:32 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then?


This.

I have bought and sold a few characters on the forums. The FIRST thing I look at is the character's name.
If it doesn't have a cool or catchy name,or if it has some random name like assr69, I won't click the link to their post.

The name is the deal breaker for me. You can always train skills to polish or perfect a pilot to your liking...but so far a name is something that is set in stone.

Perhaps having an option in Character Transfers to change the name to something of the buyer's liking, and to cover your bases, something in the employment history like so,

Imperial Academy 2011.02.09 10:01 to 2011.03.01 10:09 (as Amarr Citizen 04562)

Just a thought.
PatchYourselfUp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#210 - 2012-12-05 11:39:40 UTC
I would love to have a name change, but it has to be approached extremely carefully.

When I played EVE in late 2009, I didn't know it had such a great, deep universe that's packed with lore and had an RP scene. I would pay 30 dollars for a character re customization package (name and facial features). I quit twice before, and now that I'm back for good in 2012, I wish, wish, wish I had a more "realistic" name.

However, it should be made that a character can only be re-customized once EVER, even if it's thrown back onto the bazaar. There should also be a "View Prior Alias" button right on the Show Info window, or at least perhaps a small asterisk next to the minimize, pin, or close buttons on the Show Info window, so you could check at-a-glance if a character's name has been changed before.

EVE for a lot of people is an extremely hard game to get into, so having a second account is an unattractive option for a lot of people that want to keep things casual or really like the sense of identity a re-customization can bring forth.

I'm all for it.
Ben Fenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#211 - 2012-12-05 11:44:04 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it.

the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check.

i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally.

edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc.


Oh, I see your point completely.

It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.

There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Cool


History of employment is definitley something that should be kept alive because it's part of a character's personal portfolio BUT what's the idea behind the fact that absolutely everybody is able to look up that history without any effort?
It makes absolutely no sense. In real life nobody is able to look up my employment history until I decide to tell somebody.

EVE is a game of complex social interaction but the players aren't given any option to take care of their personal information and privacy. Actually a character in EVE is nothing more than some kind of profile on Facebook or any other social media platform. Just without options to restrict public access to personal information.

Of course this comparison seems a bit to far out but in the end this point of view should at least be taken into consideration when talking about player's employment history. Maybe you should look at it that way: In EVE nothing is given for free. Everything has to be earned. Why should be getting intel any different?

In a world where privacy of personal information nowadays is a highly sensitive topic for everyone I think that in a game world like EVE is simulating one this topic shouldn't be left behind / touched differently.

#Soup

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#212 - 2012-12-05 11:46:46 UTC
Dont erase the corp histo or even have the char renamed, but have an optional mark in the corp listing at which point a char was transfered to a different account. And ask an x amount for the optional mark.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Emu Meo
Doomheim
#213 - 2012-12-05 11:56:02 UTC
Perhaps you could go through a process of erasure from concord records by paying the correct sum to a dodgy inside agent, the payment perhaps based on the number of SPs. You would have all your standings reset, a complete physical re-customisation, and all history removed, and perhaps a loss of 10% skill points as you undergo the rigorous transformation process. That seems to fit in with eve lore, and I think a fair price to pay for those who really do have a truly bad name. Perhaps some kind of visual scarring could be left on your character portrait to indicate that you have been through the process of identity erasure.
Liandri Jenquai
Doomheim
#214 - 2012-12-06 01:13:33 UTC
I just bought a toon off the bazaar. Would love to change her name :/
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#215 - 2012-12-06 01:17:06 UTC
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
Lord Ra wrote:
Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay.





CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. Big smile

inb4 'plex for depoll'



All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names.


What ?! It's a service, it's paid for, it's ok since this is EVE .. the ultimate capitalistic game ever. So if I can buy it EVE / CCP should provide it. No problem with that.
Either be consequent or begone.


The answer is no you pay for rent a acount not to ownd a acount jezus people read the damn faq and user agrement for ones.

End of discusion now and in the future. stupid world of wacraft players.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#216 - 2012-12-06 02:33:14 UTC
Its the scum of EvE that make such a change dangerous, as allowing them to recycle or remake characters to avoid past transgressions would definately be abused. Though at the same time, i believe that players that purchase characters should have the option to remake them in their image.

Personally, i think having a record of the accounts names will prevent people from completely cutting off the previous identity, whilst allowing the new owners to show that the account is now under the control of a different person. If this change is also coupled with a price in currency, this should dissuade the forementioned scum from taking too much advantage. Though i don't think the payment should be possible with PLEX, as they are far too easy to aquire for those that are super-rich, but rather actual cash!

Definately don't think their employment history should be removed though. That should be fixed to the character forever!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Lelob
H A V O C
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#217 - 2012-12-06 02:54:01 UTC
Corp history could include a line in employment history indicating where a sale of character occurred.
AraniFyr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2012-12-06 03:36:11 UTC
I bought a character of the bazaar, i love the skillset but i wish i could change the name ( show alias ) and sex of the character, would pay for it!
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-12-06 05:01:14 UTC
Yes to both. This esp makes sense if the character was transferred, or if you made the character when you were 10 and picked a dumb name that you regret years later.

Corp history? Yes. If you bought the character or if you have been away from some time and come back but don't want to be tied to your old corp history, starting a new life is nice.

Things you did 10 years ago shouldn't matter. If you don't like the corp history wipe for non-transfered characters, then at least allow it to wipe history from 3+ years ago. So your recent corp history still matters, but you aren't forever punished for things you did as a kid years and years ago. I think this is reasonable.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#220 - 2012-12-06 07:11:19 UTC
Simply NO for both!
If you are to lazy to train up a char it is your personal problem!
If you are to lazy to find a nice name for your char it is your personal problem!
If you do some ingame crime you have to life with the resulting problems!

Allowing name change or history delation would open every singel door for griffers, thiefs, spys and maybe even some real life criminals who use EvE for whatever real life crime!

So if you named your char "xXxKillorRoxorThiefKiddyXxX" ... it is YOUR personal fault. Take it as lesson for the next game and take the time (and brain) to find a better one.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!