EVE General Discussion

Null 86% of the available space...I think you might want to check into that, you seem to have once again ignored facts.

It might be close if you are including wormholes and lo-sec as well, but either way around you are still engaging in wild speculation while the facts state differently.

If you don't like the facts maybe you need to run a campaign of getting people to having alts in Hi-sec, for me personally i would be surprised if Null/Hi-sec alts were more than 1-2%, I know a lot of Null bears have wormhole alts, it suits their play style but for Hi-sec they are only there for trading and level 4's

I can answer this. I have indeed left highsec on a number of occasions in various low/null/WH corps. However I strongly prefer highsec and I've developed a bias against other space.

Nullsec
I've had a few bad experiences in nullsec corps. Well ok, a LOT of bad experiences. For a while I was convinced it was simply the alliance I was in that was the source of my problems. But I left to join another completely unrelated alliance. Still had the same problems. I left to go back to highsec, chilled out for a few months, then went back into nullsec with yet another unrelated alliance. Still had the same problems.

Ship replacement programs were non existent and we were forced to fight and die, always paying for it out of our own pockets to further the cause of the alliance, whatever that was. I can sort of understand not all alliances are big or rich enough to afford an SRP. Fair enough.

Since bringing everything I need down to nullsec is a pain in the butt (nobody was willing or able to help with hauling), I have to buy local. The alliance leadership actively price gouges everything on the market, then threatens anyone who undercuts them with expulsion. That's complete BS.

Then it was the 24/7 mandatory CTAs. Alliance doctrines specified that only under extreme cases where the life of the alliance is directly threatened will they make fleets mandatory. Leadership must have missed that because ALL fleets were mandatory and there was always a fleet up doing something. Anyone who wasn't in the fleet was KOS. Anyone caught ratting or doing any activity that wasn't directly related to the fleet was tossed out. How am I supposed to make all that money nullsec dwellers keep raving about if I'm not allowed to do anything else except fly in alliance fleets?

Leadership, and most especially the FCs, treat members like horse sh*t. I don't expect to be treated with pleases and thank yous and such, but when a grown adult male gets on comms and literally screams at everyone, that's a big problem for me. This sort of behavior persisted in every alliance I joined.

I don't play this game to be berated by some moron. So I left, and I'll probably never go back to nullsec again unless there are some major game changes (and they would have to be major). Again, this wasn't a one time isolated incident. This was EVERY TIME I went to nullsec.

Lowsec
With lowsec, I really haven't had any bad experiences like nullsec. There's simply just nothing there. Most lowsec systems do not have a station. Those that do are typically infested with pirates. There are a lot of little things wrong with lowsec that just makes it not worth my time. PI taxes are higher in low than they are in high which is strange as it *should* be the other way around. Gate guns are a joke and barely fulfill any function. Asteroids are almost all the same ones you could find in highsec. The only ones that highsec doesn't have aren't worth mining either. The whole concept of lowsec seems "Meh", like CCP created it a long time ago and forgot about it. I have no qualms about going to lowsec, I just can't seem to find a purpose for going there.

I did the pirate thing for a while. Weeks would go by before I ever saw a potential target. Eventually gave up on piracy because nobody really goes to lowsec except other pirates and FW people.

Wormholes
I actually like living in wormholes and I would gladly do so again someday. The two major deterrents for me are shoddy POS mechanics (any WH dweller can attest to how nightmarish POS mechanics really are), and that I can't find a decent WH corp that won't crumble at the first sign of PvP. I tried going in as a one-man corp once. Set up my own POS and got to planetary interaction and killing sleepers. Within two weeks a mercenary group swooped in and killed my POS (it was a small). I'm not mad about it, it just illustrates the point that I can't do this alone very well, yet I can't find a decent WH corp to join. I considered recruiting for my corp, but I just don't have the free time to be a CEO.

Highsec
Where to begin. I live here not because I like it here but rather because I really don't like nullsec, I see no purpose in lowsec and I can't find a decent WH corp. I live in highsec because there's simply no where else to go. Since my RL job has been ramping up, my free time has been limited which is perfect for living in highsec. I can just log in, mine for an hour or whatever, then log out without any hassle. It's casual, it's relaxed, it's calm and stable. Sure the occasional suicide ganker comes along but whatever. No big deal. I think I may be staying here for the foreseeable future.

I've made it my vow to try everything EvE has to offer and I'm almost completely done with that goal. So far most of it is just either broken, boring, pointless, or a complete waste of time.

I stay in high sec because:

1) Ships are too damn expensive. There's an inherent contradiction to this game: from what I hear, CCP wants a lot more PVP and a lot less PVE. Ok, fine, but why would I do that if I have to "safely" "work" (mining, etc, etc) for hours and hours to buy a battleship, only to have it blown up in minutes by a gang of 10 people? Amount of "boring" play to exciting play in that case is about 10000:1.

2) If an NPC kills me, it's nothing personal, code does what code does. If a person kills me, and then sends me mocking emails
afterwards (tears and all that), that is awful. Nothing like losing hours and hours of "work" and then somebody laughing at you in process.

3) Losing all the expensive parts. In other MMO's, (I heard), when you get killed, there is a minor penalty, then you get back to where you died, pick up all your gear, and keep fighting. You've lost a bit of time. In Eve, nothing is safe. You can mine for days to earn a nice Gist X-Large Booster, and then people hunt you down like an animal for it. Wow, yeah, that's fun.

EVE's mechanics encourage the bully mentality, not work. I don't have time to play with others, so in any encounter with other players, I'd end up the being the bullied one. Not fun at all - people play games to feel like heroes, not victims.
Also, anybody thinking of saying "you're playing the wrong game" can stuff it - I've heard it before.

There is something to this game... the feeling of space, building a small fleet of ships, NPC combat, etc, that outweighs the small risks of living in high sec.

I don't go to out of hi sec b/c some jerk wants to aribtrally intiate non consueal pvp. Instead of fighting me cause I wronged him or for any logical reason, he will fight me just because. Stupid in my opinion. People just don't murder eachother in cold blood on the street.

hi

did you know that this is a game

rofl

Well, I never went to below 0.5. Been playing since 2007. Did I miss out being away from Low sec and/or null sec?

It always has been related to stress factor. I don't feel like losing a BC or BS to ganging is what's fun! Plus I hear there are more pilots in High-sec so why would I want to be all alone in low-sec.

Thx, DEFIER.

Here's the real problem with null/wh/low sec.

THE PEOPLE!!!!

Lets say you try to join a major alliance so that you can enjoy the spoils of null sec.

You contract all your equipment to be moved to null, join the alliance and begin the move yourself in either a small cloaky, or your favorite ship.

You come across the guys you're supposed to be meeting up with.

Well, all the sudden you're all blown up and podded back in high sec being linked a km that shows all your crap got blowed up.

Then suddenly, you're kicked from the alliance.

(This did not happen to me, but I have seen it happen.)

However, in the event you do get into an alliance that isn't trying to bait you, well now you've gotta get all your crap to null.
However, the alliance doesn't have anyone to escort you, nor do they have a secure tunnel to their SOV.
Lets say you make it with all your goodies.

Well, you can't exactly mine in the asteroid belts because you're not allowed to blow up the BS rats because there's a specific way it needs to be done so that ratting is good.
So, no mining unless you're with a large mining fleet. However, there are people out there mining in frigs, bs's, mining barges, crappy skilled exhumers, there's the defense group for killing rats and unwanted guests, there's the orca pilots/haulers, the boosters, corporate tax, and what the alliance takes as overhead.

So, mining in null isn't exactly profitable.

Oh but wait, you can go ratting. Oh wait, nvm, the system you're in has a corp that pretty much owns the pve rights for that system.
So, lets go a jump away. Oh, you're not allowed to rat in this system because it's set up for mining.
So, you find a nice quiet system to pve in. Well, now all you have is crappy rats in belts and you're 5 jumps away from your salvage ship. To make things worse, now they're reds, greys, and unknowns entering the system, so you must dock up. Not only do you have to dock up because no one in the alliance is going to bother defending you, but also because for some reason many alliances highly frown upon getting blown up outside of fleet engagements. So, it's basically mandatory that you dock up and wait for security to show up that probably won't. However, in the event that your corp is given a good system to rat in, then you're probably not allowed to rat/plex solo and/or the plexes are too high of quality to be able to solo.

So, ratting/plexing isn't exactly profitable.


Then you talk about low sec.

The only thing that low sec has going for it is lvl 5 missions. However, pretty much all of the agent locations are camped and/or controlled by an alliance/corp. Again, you're not allowed to solo the missions because they're there for the corp, not just you. So, you've got 5-10 people flying the mission with you, plus the security team, and the cloakies watching the gates entering the mission system. Then you've got high taxes with low/null corps and they don't really like to share the salvage cause it's for "ship construction" for the SRP that you have yet to see any of, or for corpate profit that doesn't seem to actually go towards the corp, or its members, but rather seems to just dissappear in the pockets of those in charge.

Then, you again have the same problem of no one ever being around when you need them. They don't seem to go into defense mode when someone enters that posses a threat.


Now, you have the WH corps/alliances.
In the event that they're not trying to bait you by either locking you in a WH, or dragging you into WH to blow you up, well, then you have a whole new set of issues.
You're only allowed to use a set amount of storage in the POS, so you can't bring all the ships you really need in the WH. If a site pops up you're not allowed to hit it solo cause they don't come along that often, so you must share.
There's nowhere to dock your ship, and there's nowhere to buy supplies, so if you don't have a direct access to high sec then you're SOL. There are times when a site won't even spawn for a week/s at a time, so you have nothing to do.

If someone enters the WH, then the corp/alliance you're in will either POS up or jump out.



Sooo many people b!tch about high sec carebears and how they have little to no risks for their rewards, yet in going to WH/null/low all I've seen is people avoiding combat and being ordered to avoid combat at all costs. Even when you're in a combat fleet, unless you're directly attempting to take Sov from another alliance, then odds are you're not seeing much combat because they're all doing the same thing you are.


However, all that said, the people are still the worst part about being in unsecure areas. You can't depend on anyone, you can't trust anyone, you can't find anyone, no one wants to fly with you, no one will help you in most situations unless it directly helps them, and leadership is nothing but a bunch of tools with too much free time on their hands that think Eve is their life.
Yet these same people wanna turn around and tell carebears that get ganked that "It's just a game."

The worst part of it all is that none of those people have respect for others, nor do they act like it's just a game.

I have no problem with ganking and all that crap, but the drama and lack of trust that comes with unsecure territory just isn't worth it, expecially when you factor that I'm probably making more isk in high sec because I'm actually allowed to do sh!t.

But...

According to your employment history, you've never left the NPC corp....
In almost a year.

According to your employment history, you've never joined a major Alliance, or any other corp.

So...



I mean, that's a lot of crap to talk on a year old alt.

Edit: Or is it two years.

Well I had the same experiences posted above (or worse) in several 0.0 alliances I joined with my alts.
The only corporation (not alliance) I joined, that was worth being in through the years, has been Dark Rising.