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Do people still play on 5 year old laptops?
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Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-05 03:24:06 UTC
CCP, do not sit on amazing content just because it might not run on someone's old Toshiba Satellite or something like that. When I saw that EVE was nominated for the MoMA and they called for videos, they actually posted something to the effect of "...don't submit a video from your 5 year old laptop...". Just forget about people on ancient laptops that refuse to upgrade.

Go for the full effect, and see what this game can do on a modern machine. When my video card fried, I didn't cry on the forums about the new avatar stuff (when it came out), I just got a newer video card. Problem solved.

Bring EVE Online up to it's full potential. Go for the full effect for ALL types of content. I really hope that consideration for older gaming laptops never comes into the equation. I, for one, will just upgrade if the time calls for it.
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-05 03:26:22 UTC
I think mine is approaching 4 years, but I've had no problems.
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-05 03:26:40 UTC
bad business sense for a mmo.
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#4 - 2012-12-05 03:47:01 UTC
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-05 03:54:21 UTC
4-5 years is your average time frame to assume a market base. This is for most any software company.

Apple would be your only exception..and thats because they have the market base who will buy new crap every 2 years for some unknown reason. Mac addicts no flames needed...I am a mac user in addtion to PC's.. I unlike the huddled masses did not ditch my 1 year old mac book pro for the new one this year. My MBP will do me fine for quite a few more years. And thats doing data analysis, video and photo editing (ie I don't jsut surf and play eve lol).

galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-05 03:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Galenwade
Conrad Makbure wrote:
CCP, do not sit on amazing content just because it might not run on someone's old Toshiba Satellite or something like that. When I saw that EVE was nominated for the MoMA and they called for videos, they actually posted something to the effect of "...don't submit a video from your 5 year old laptop...". Just forget about people on ancient laptops that refuse to upgrade.

Go for the full effect, and see what this game can do on a modern machine. When my video card fried, I didn't cry on the forums about the new avatar stuff (when it came out), I just got a newer video card. Problem solved.

Bring EVE Online up to it's full potential. Go for the full effect for ALL types of content. I really hope that consideration for older gaming laptops never comes into the equation. I, for one, will just upgrade if the time calls for it.



MMO games need customers, and more people run old hardware than new hard ware.

I know it isn't the best source for it but go look at the steam hardware survey results... people are running 8400GS Cry

There is not much point going " ok we want to make the game really really pretty... so 90% of our user base can just bugger off "



They have to hit the happy medium, that covers a good potion of older computer but also looks good. Also if you made it only playable on the most top end computers, what would happen when there is a 2000 ship battle... it would not end well Big smileShocked
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#7 - 2012-12-05 04:02:27 UTC
galenwade wrote:
Conrad Makbure wrote:
CCP, do not sit on amazing content just because it might not run on someone's old Toshiba Satellite or something like that. When I saw that EVE was nominated for the MoMA and they called for videos, they actually posted something to the effect of "...don't submit a video from your 5 year old laptop...". Just forget about people on ancient laptops that refuse to upgrade.

Go for the full effect, and see what this game can do on a modern machine. When my video card fried, I didn't cry on the forums about the new avatar stuff (when it came out), I just got a newer video card. Problem solved.

Bring EVE Online up to it's full potential. Go for the full effect for ALL types of content. I really hope that consideration for older gaming laptops never comes into the equation. I, for one, will just upgrade if the time calls for it.



MMO games need customers, and more people run old hardware than new hard ware.

I know it isn't the best source for it but go look at the steam hardware survey results... people are running 8400GS Cry

There is not much point going " ok we want to make the game really really pretty... so 90% of our user base can just bugger off "



They have to hit the happy medium, that covers a good potion of older computer but also looks good. Also if you made it only playable on the most top end computers, what would happen when there is a 2000 ship battle... it would not end well Big smileShocked


How are you that cheap to run a 8400GS?
If you're going to game on a computer at least get something like a recent $100 video card.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-05 04:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Conrad Makbure
90%. That can't be an accurate count of the player base that uses older equipment and when I say older I mean older than 5 years. This late in the game, bringing new pilots will mean appealing to a gaming population that has newer (or modern) hardware.

At any rate, I hope they don't take old machines into consideration when it is time to add content to the game. Just go for the best content.
Mirima Thurander
#9 - 2012-12-05 05:32:03 UTC
I play on an out of the box $800 dell from 2001.

2.3ghz single core

2.5gigs ram

1gb video card

80gig Harddrive

I run around high sec and low sec with it on max settings.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-05 05:43:55 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
galenwade wrote:
Conrad Makbure wrote:
CCP, do not sit on amazing content just because it might not run on someone's old Toshiba Satellite or something like that. When I saw that EVE was nominated for the MoMA and they called for videos, they actually posted something to the effect of "...don't submit a video from your 5 year old laptop...". Just forget about people on ancient laptops that refuse to upgrade.

Go for the full effect, and see what this game can do on a modern machine. When my video card fried, I didn't cry on the forums about the new avatar stuff (when it came out), I just got a newer video card. Problem solved.

Bring EVE Online up to it's full potential. Go for the full effect for ALL types of content. I really hope that consideration for older gaming laptops never comes into the equation. I, for one, will just upgrade if the time calls for it.



MMO games need customers, and more people run old hardware than new hard ware.

I know it isn't the best source for it but go look at the steam hardware survey results... people are running 8400GS Cry

There is not much point going " ok we want to make the game really really pretty... so 90% of our user base can just bugger off "



They have to hit the happy medium, that covers a good potion of older computer but also looks good. Also if you made it only playable on the most top end computers, what would happen when there is a 2000 ship battle... it would not end well Big smileShocked


How are you that cheap to run a 8400GS?
If you're going to game on a computer at least get something like a recent $100 video card.


not me !!! i have a 460GTX and even that is getting a bit long in the tooth
Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-12-05 05:44:12 UTC
I don't really see what is it that there should be more? I mean, what is this "full effect" you are talking about? More flares, bloom, tesselation, or what? Even DX11 support would be pretty much waste, since this game don't really need any new features from it.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#12 - 2012-12-05 05:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
More older stuf mean better stuf in general, new stuf are designed to burn or break after short period usage, due to consumpiton and needs, to good stuf = no profits for corporations, these days you wont use new car like 20 year long , while people who living in old times in genral got better quality things...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
#13 - 2012-12-05 07:51:44 UTC
I use a four year old Dell Inspiron 17 laptop as my only computer. It's graphics card is an ATI mobility Radeon 4330. I can't afford to replace it this year or next. I'm not the only person with minimum spec hardware who wants to play EVE.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#14 - 2012-12-05 07:57:47 UTC
Quote:
Do people still play on 5 year old laptops?


They still buy 10 year old game consoles, so yes. 5 year old laptops is nothing unusual.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#15 - 2012-12-05 08:03:36 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
someone's old Toshiba Satellite
Ha, that's totally what I play Eve on right now.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#16 - 2012-12-05 08:04:45 UTC
**** you, OP. (Oh boy, here comes the ISD).

Look, I've been using a P4 until early 2012, and that was a computer I had for over eight years. I played what I could on it. In fact, one of the reasons I played EVE so much in general is because I didn't have many alternatives in the last few years.

Not everyone has money. Not everyone can grab a quad-SLI just to pump out four figures in the latest CoD release on their miscalibrated 60Hz monitors. No, it's not as simple as "get a job, duh!" Most of the world is poor, and video games are surprisingly cheap as an entertainment medium, compared to many alternatives. Game companies know this. That's why we have those little sliders for graphics quality.

PS: the only people who would go to MOMA and look at a gaming exhibit without hanging their heads in shame are the upscale yuppies who want to "immerse" themselves in "other cultures," or hipsters who are doing it "ironically."

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-05 08:21:46 UTC
Believe it or not, there's a ratio to consider. How high can you ramp up the graphics verses how many customers you will lose if you do. World of Warcraft went with the approach of keeping their graphic settings low and retaining as many customers as possible. It has proven to be an effective strategy. When EvE Online Trinity was announced, CCP knew that with the increase in graphic load, they were going to lose a percentage of their customers. It was a necessary sacrifice that had to be done. Cranking EvEs graphics to maximum and CCP will lose another percentage of customers, quite possibly a substantial number which would threaten CCPs very existence.

And unlike you, Mr OP Moneybags, not everyone can afford the latest and greatest hardware. Most of us have what's called a "Budget". It's a way for us non rich types to effectively manage our money and divert it to various places in regards to priorities. Luxuries such as new computers are sadly quite low on that list of priorities. Just below food, rent, school, utility bills, car maintenance, healthcare, expenses to take care of family, etc.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#18 - 2012-12-05 08:42:31 UTC
One day when you move out you'll end up having to buy your own hardware, you may even come to realise that there might be better things to spend money on than computers.

Then you might be happy that some companies like CCP actually make games that run on a wider range of machines.


The notion that people play eve for its graphics is hilarious for game that most of us spend zoomed out looking at the OV, watch list and broadcast window, with a small region of unused screen area showing purple and red boxes.