Intergalactic Summit

I don't think she's even a holder.
And even if she is, I'd like to see, ya know, some proof that she is enslaving your people... You know, names, places, stuff like that.

And why am I asking for proof? Simple. Because I believe that your words are BS.

You're wrong. There is always someone else to hate. After the Amarr then the Caldari. After the Caldari then the Gallente. After the Gallente it's right back inter-tribal warfare. A common enemy is what united your tribes in the first place, and, being based entirely on this need, without constantly having someone to fight or your entire Republic would collapse. Well, perhaps not collapse. More likely they would actually change into something better. A government more concerned with promoting the well-being of it's citizens than with sacrificing them in a blood-feud.

Here, I found this is an old book... remind you of anyone?

"War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist."

In the end you're government isn't much different that ours. The difference is that since we openly admit to the realities of our hierarchy while your people delude themselves into thinking that prosperity is just around the corner... just as soon as you get done wining this war... there will be chocolate and toilet paper for everyone. Any day now... oh drat, a new enemy to fight. The struggle continues, your society stagnates but your military leaders stay in power. And that's all that matters in the end - power. Power for those who command your armies and by that they command your entire society.

We place our authority in priests while you place yours in generals and warlords. And yes, our priests command our society with the same grip that your warlords use to command yours. We have no delusions otherwise. But the idea of peace does not threaten the power of the Theology Council. Peace leads to prosperity and prosperity affirms our Faith. The difference is that our government maintains it's power through the love & well-being of it's people. Yours maintains it's power through the hatred & harm of those same people.

Do you think a Matari conscript in the Republic military has any more freedom than a Matari slave in the Empire? They follow orders. They don't get to decide their own fates. The difference is that his Amarrian counterpart is a lot more likely to die of old age. The only real difference is that our slaves create while yours only destroy. Your people struggle, toil, fight and then die, all to maintain this eternal war-machine that has become the keystone of your entire society. All to maintain the power of those who's comfy seats are propped up by the "needs" of a government at war. You say that our society is founded on slavery? Look in the mirror. You've just a slave to a different master, nothing more.

If you really want to embrace freedom then embrace peace. Embrace freedom from war and hated. If, after all I was put through by your people... if I, of all people, can still pass through that dark tunnel and still find the strength and Faith to not become a hate filled terrorist thirsting for war...

Ah, but you have no Faith. Hatred is your only god. Maybe you should find a new one... one that actually loves you.

If you can't listen to reason then at least listen to Streya Jormagdnir. While I don't agree with everything she says, at least she's sane & rational. She doesn't threaten the Empire and the Empire is no threat to her. It's not the best peace but at least it's a type of peace none-the-less.

All I hear is this:

"Please don't attack us. Please accept our obfuscation of reality. Please let us continue enslaving your people while loving us for it."

You really make me sick, you know that? Your words make me want to find you first.

Keep talking. You add fuel to what keeps me warm at night.

Forgive me, I forgot to add an important caveat.

Our motto is We come to destroy all who enslave our people.

Those who do not engage in slavery will not be harmed. Those Amarr who have never engaged in slavery and have even opposed it are even welcome to join us.

We don't want the destruction of the Amarr. We just want to have our people released and all slave trading ceased. Those who oppose slavery in all forms are welcome to join our campaign.

Those who continue to engage in slavery and who continue to justify their actions need to look out for us amongst the stars. It's you who we're coming for.

Only those who engage us in battle. Only those of you who fight for the right to enslave other races will be the ones I'm coming for.

Before you take a few words out of context and apply that to all Amarr, go have a read of what else I've said and save your arrogance for someone else who might care more than I do.


Bring it on.

No, I don't know that.

"…to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

Alexia, have you learned nothing from our Elders? I supported your initial motion to take down CVA because they're a capsuleer alliance expanding the institution of slavery. The Empire proper, on the other hand, has what appears to be a long-term plan to end slavery. While I am by no means pleased at how long it will take, starting a bloodbath will surely undo any long-term victory the Matari people can hope to gain! "To withstand your enemy is to triumph", says an Amarrian book on war. So who will withstand, us or them? Who can hope to triumph?

Victory can be bittersweet, with the victor taking only what they can and nothing more. Vengeance can be greatly satisfying, but leave the apparent victor with nothing but ruins and ash. We must strive for victory, not vengeance.

Gladly, it was a rather well-documented event. While this of course is not proof of how we should all just be happy-clappy and lax our efforts against slavery, Jamyl's decree will eventually lead to every slave of Minmatar blood being free. That is, if I'm understanding the legality of it correctly.

As for your brilliant short-term plan, it really does seem more like a quick suicide. Even if your genocidal campaign succeeded, it would result in more people dead than saved. Yes, even Minmatar people.

The Amarr I've discussed this with say that it has been a very long time since the taking of new Slaves from outside the Empire was permitted. Have you heard this? Is it true? If it is true, then Miss Jormangdir is correct - the population of Slaves will wither and the Empire will slowly replace their population of slaves with a more fitting economic and social solution.

if taking new Slaves really is illegal and CVA is taking new Slaves then... Aren't they nothing more than the Angel Cartel with different coloured ships?

I'm confused.

If you were willing to do something other than support the Amarr's attempts to pretend they're doing something about aboloshing slavery, I'd be interested in talking to you about it.