EVE General Discussion

So, I've been hoppin' in my tengu, loki, legion, and proteus, checking out different ranges.


So far, this is what I've seen...

With a standard Solo C3 fit, I get this

Tengu - 66km MAX. - 3 to 6km for the "get up to speed" crap.
Loki - 80km
Legion - 82km
Proteus - Lets be serious, anyone who flies a proteus with rails for PvE should be podded so I won't post it.


Massive nerf to the fitting of the tengu, 20% range nerf? 20% damage nerf? I lost 90 dps (WITH Officer mods), and I lost over 45km range.



So the question that I'm wondering is, why is the tengu so far behind now? Did the nerf it too hard, enough or too little? Frankly, I've got damn near max tengu skills, and I lost this much? I mean, really CCP, do you not test ****?


Ok. Here is the Tengu...

EFT
Tengu EFT Fitting

In-Game
Tengu In-Game Fitting

For some reason, the other 3 fits aren't working in EFT, and EVE HQ isn't updated yet.

Please, at least, include the basic fits for these numbers.

What weapons with the tengu? what dps?
What weapons with the loki? what dps?
What weapons with the legion? what dps?

Lets face it, Between the HM & ECM nerf, Caldari got curb stomped with this patch, im still watching Falcon prices tank in jita.

show me a legion/loki fit that can put out more DPS at 70km than a tengu and I'll unsub all my accounts and give you all my stuff.

PS: your tengu fit is HORRIBLE.

Load up faction ammo and you get most of the range back without too bad a dps loss on HML.

OP, some things I think you missed with the missile changes. Fury did indeed get a range nerf beyond that of base HMs. That was intended. It more mirrors turret high damage ammo, which has much less range. Faction ammo is now th ammo to use at range.

Also, you probably don't have to knock off 3-6km off of range due to acceleration and flight path of missiles anymore. They stated they reworked the programming for missile flight. Apparenty the displayed range will pretty much be equal to the in-game performance of the missile.

Also, coming are range and explosion parameters with TC and TE for missiles. You will likely be able to get your former range back. Of course there will be fitting choices to be made that may necessitate tradeoffs from your damage mod stacking or tank mods. But turret boats have had to do this for many years. Welcome to the club.

Essentially, you will have to reevaluate your fittings with all the changes that have come and the additional ones to come. Not such a bad thing really. Tengus had no downsides for WH stuff and other tech IIIs had none of their advantages. That all is subject to change. CCP did not want Tengus and Drakes Online anymore. But that does not mean that Tengus and Drakes will no longer be flown. They just won't be so obviously better anymore.

Caldari has been, and is currently, the most represented race in characters and ships flown. Should that coniue in perpetuity? This game is complex, and rebalancing will continue through many cycles and will not be laid aside as it has been for many recent years. That is a good thing.

edit - to the poster below me. The Cerb, along with all HACs is slated for later rebalancing and will quite possibly be getting a buff for whatever role will be assigned to it.

all concidered, caldari did not have an advantage.....they were able to tank in wormhole space much better due tothier ability to passive tank, however, the trade off is that our dps is much less than the other races, also we have an outragous 10 second loading time for our puny missle bays. If CCP wants to "Balance" the races, then increase our dps, lower our range, and take our weapon re-loading time down to mirror what the other races have on thier ships.

Depends on the missile you were using. I bet you were using Fury for damage... yet it now has a much larger explosion radius. 241m base compared to cruisers that are in the 130m range. Use t1, faction or precision. You don't do squat with fury on small targets.

That isn't what I said at all. I said they have a longer range. You failed to read the post properly, and that doesn't surprise me.


Regardless if you can constantly hit something at 70km or farther, you're still hitting a target, and dealing damage, while missiles just "fizzle" out.

Also, Mr. K162 Alliance dude, post a better one that can solo up to C4's and not have issues. This is my solo C2/C3. I've been jumped by a Tengu, Proteus, and Hound, I survived it, and beat the proteus down into low armor, tengu fled when the Falcon showed up, and the Hound died in 3 vollies. So, with that said, post a better one, or sit down & shut up. I wasn't asking for your opinion on my fit, nor was it needed.


I'm not impressed with how CCP handled it. The tengu was a nice ship before, granted I did feel the need to nerf it was right, but nerfing it by 40km range was a bit harsh. As someone who has flown with White Noise. and NCdot, I know that the Tengu was powerful in fleet fights, even in WH RR fleets they are powerful as sh*t. Personally, I think the drake should have been affected more by the change than the tengu. If your ship goes boom, you lose skill points, and an extremely expensive ship. Even a T2 Fit will still run you 700m, give or take 100m. Unlike the drake that costs 70m in total with fittings.

Love the "balance" CCP.

@ Lili Lu

I know that with new patches, fit changes need to be done, but lets face it, 40km range nerf is a bit excessive. I can't argue the fact on Tengus having a down side. But they are a bit crap solo, especially against a proteus or loki. Even now with this change, the tengu is at a major disadvantage for the PvP. I mean, HAMs do half the range now, and do 10x the damage. It would be by far better, to buff the tank, and just speed tank it.

You're arguing that caldari is the most used race out there, I'd have to disagree with that. Caldari have a few powerful ships, Falcon, Widow, Tengu, and Drake, but look at Gallente. They suck balls, they have some of the shittiest ships out there. Last I checked, you don't see a 200man fleet of Megathrons, Hyperions, Myrmidons, or even Dominix's. But you see 700 man Drake fleets. I won't lie, the game needs a massive balance done to it, but the way CCP approached, as they always do, is nerf the **** out of it, until its useless beyond belief. Look at titans, and specifically the Leviathan & Phoenix, how long has the explosion velocity been out ran by any ship in the game? If you can beat 20m/s you can out run a Cit Torp. Nuff said. Also, you can say the same about Gallente Carriers, Supercarriers, and Titans. As of right now, the Avatar & Erebus are the most used Titans in the game. The Nyx was the most used & sought after supercap. Goons noticed how nearly 30% of the EVE Population relied upon Oxygen Isotopes, hence the Ice Interdiction. Each race has their powerful ships, as proven by NCdot, Zealots are GOOD counters to Drakes. A 10% nerf to HM Range, and a 15% nerf to damage would have sufficed, and made their "trajectories" Harder to maneuver.

Only in medium weapon systems
cruises are still OK, although they could use a bit of a DPS buff