EVE General Discussion

The irony is that he mentioned that he has a HAM tengu fit that does 838 dps with a TP. Pretty sure that it will do at least half a loki's applied dps at 30km.

No bonus comparisons favor turrets for range as their skills only bonus part of the range and do not complement each other. Both missiles skills affect the entire range and do complement each other. Also consider damage degradation due to falloff, which missiles do not have.

you dont seem to getting my point with the transversal/explosion velocity



at short range a targets HIGH speed makes a gun and a missile more likely to miss
at medium range+ the gun has improved tracking capabilities, whilst the missile continues to miss irrespective of range
at a guns long range it barely has any issues at with hitting, the missile continues to miss

guns have 0 travel time, they fire the target is hit
part of a missiles range is its travel time





whilst CCP continue to call a missile/rocket hybrid 'missiles' and perpetually dither over actually fixing them missiles will always be abysmal.

There was no mention of HAMs in the posts you quoted...

Missiles will hit everything that is going slow enough for them to hit at any range.

Guns lose tracking the closer the target gets to you, provided the target maintains a transversal velocity.

So they both do have a strength related to hitting targets that are moving.

Also for a heavy missile to miss completely at short range, your target has to be going more than 6450 m/s. Yes I understand the damage will be reduced, but you do still hit, none of the long range turrets can say they will hit a target moving this fast at close range.

If missiles are so abysmal, then why was the Golem such a strong pick in the new eden open?

What CCP calls Game devlopment we call Class ****.Several classes of ships a class of weapon all nerfed to the point of useless.Your choices are the same for all us former drake pilots..1.Thank CCP for the butt secks sans lube write off most of your sp's and go play Hello Kitty island while you retrain all the while paying ccp its 15 bucks a month. 2 tell CCP to shove it,close account and find another mmo.For all you drake haters laugh it up your turn is coming soon.

factoring all skills lvl 5 and not fitted to a specific ship

hml II + navy = (roughly) 26 @ 64km.

This would make it the highest dps, but very close to equal range with HBL II.

Now, with high damage ammo, HML's with fury will have roughly
29 @ 32km

That's roughly equal in dps to close range arty. Now, not only can all by havy beams out range hmls, but beams and rails can out dps at close range, with long range guns.

This essentially makes hmls low dps at close range, and high dps at mid range with no long range.
Again, HBL's do have the same long range, and with less dps, but much more effective close range.

The one thing missiles had going for them was that they could out range turrets.
Now they cannot compete.

Now, with lasers you have to be within 23km with navy xray to out dps fury missiles.
Rails can out range, or out dps within 23km using navy plutonium. (best to out range so they dont' take any damage)
And Arty can out range.

This leaves hmls with a very small window in which they overpower either turret type.

beam past 23km, but only up to 64km.
Rails in that same window
and arty from 0 to 64km.

this may seem decent, but considering it's very unlikely for a fight to stay within my prime range, then I'm screwed.

Tears, anger, grrr grrr!

What, you mean like the Myrm? It was nerfed right away. That it took 4 years to nerf the Drake (or more correctly, HMs), count yourself lucky. Oh and it ain't over yet. The BC rebalance is coming. Cane already got a direct nerf in this patch. I think you will need to take some relaxants to survive the next round that will affect the abomination that has been the Drake.

Or, yeah, do as you threaten. Leave the game. You won't be missed. You apparently learned nothing in this game. It's about specialization and diversification. Imagine that, both at the same time. It can be done.

The golem was a strong pick for 3 reasons

1) the first round they had shown up in, they came with torps, a spider tank, and were unexpected. however, due to slow speed, short range, and massive exp radius, they were not able to down the entire fleet.

2) The second fight they were in they did amazingly well for a few reasons, banning out ecm, way unexpected, even more unexpected with cruise missiles.

3) The third round in which they showed up was the same as the second round. No one expected that perticular team to use them, and no one expected cruise missiles.


There were many ways this could have been countered, however, due to lack of expectation of golems, and the banning of ecm, these didn't happen.

and they are
ECM
Long range, high tank turret boats
Close range, high dps, high tank
The standard Sleipnir fleet.
A damp fleet with mid/long range turrets/missiles

There are many more ways the golem fleets could have been spanked like a puppy that tinkled on the floor.

However, due to limited points, limited knowledge, and one MAJOR FACTOR.

That is that one one expected the crap tastic Golem to show up. So, they didn't bother to train against them and came out completely unprepared.

It's not that the Golem is soooo powerful, it's that they came out with exactly the opposite of what they would need to beat Golem's.

That said, this thread is really more about hmls anyway, which got their @sses handed to them in the New Eden Open, and that was pre-nerf. (granted some people did fly out of the arena.)

That just goes to show that hmls aren't OP, but when you have a mass fleet of drakes/tengus why would you not die quickly?
I'll easily say, tengu OP, drake slightly OP due to ehp, but HML's, not OP.

OP actually posted under the assumption that the nonsense he's heard is true and caldari are no longer a viable race and everyone should jump ship. Derp.