Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Edit 12/5/2012



Actually you know honestly I missed that. I checked the base HP for JF's so they were similar to standard and just assumed they only got bonus to cargo and jump fuel.

Thank you for pointing that out. Actually you made my topic now a mute point.

I inputed an ark with high grade implants, boosts, and pulled out 514.1k EHP at lvl V and still not using a armored warfare link implant for booster

So effectively JF's cover both a quick logistics role for high volumes and an armored role for high volumes


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So JF's actually fill the role I originally thought was lacking in the freighter class's.

So for those lazy few(alot)
Buy a jump freighter if you want to haul more expensive crap.

and if you're too cheap to buy a stronger freighter, that's your own damn fault, stop yo whining

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Well not once and for all everyone will always complain the moment the other side figures out how to pop it.


But here

Haulers came along in need of hauling small to moderate sums of items
T2 haulers emerged to solve security issues with hauling pricey items and with hauling in more dangerous territory
Blockades were given scan immunity to help fight against the ever vigilant eye of the pirate menace

Freighters came about as a need to haul massive quantities of items.
Jump freighters came about as a need to haul massive quantities of items deep into dangerous territory or to evade dangerous territory safely

Now the empires have become the most dangerous territory for transport. And whats one to do? Freighters are too specialized and fragile to adjust for weaponry or defense on its hull without sacrificing the need for that massive cargo bay.
And big brother wont let you cyno your JF around hisec to safely transport cargo

So what's one to do while still staying true to the freighter class? without getting into complex fittings and balancing issues in regards to developing the hauler class with fitting slots and rigs.

Quite simple, as corporations have a need to transport large sums of highly valuable cargo, and with the advent of new combat technology that pirate factions have obtained to efficiently assault on the transport ships in empire. A new class of advanced freighter is needed to be developed to keep up with the times.
We have the standard class
We have the Jump freighter class

Now we need the Armored Class. Trading cargo space for increased defensive protection. The armored class is slower and more cumbersome than its sisters. But what it lacks in hauling capacity and speed it makes up for in sheer armored resistance (or shield depending on the race :p)

Stats:
Build cost close to JF (just to get an idea of the cost of obtaining one)
Cargo hold as well, close to JF

Racial freighter skill
5% bonus to ship agility per skill level

Armored Freighter skill
5% bonus to both armor (or shield depending on race) hp and 5% to velocity per skill level

Yea I agree. I said in the red frog whine fest thread, that it would most likely be a cargo cap of around 200,000m3.

As with current freighters, it probably won't have fitting options and have a few other drawbacks.

It will happen :)

ypu forgot to read more carefully



For those that lack imagination, to translate. Tier 3's have made heavy alpha damage cheaper and easier to obtain. They are used on haulers that were not designed when this threat was present (though CCP did add slight defense to them to cope)
And rather then remake haulers with slots. Which i hate the idea of haulers having slots. Since the hulls aren't meant t be customized. I proposed a new advanced armor class to keep inline with the spirit of the freighter class

And you forgot to spell check

I have several threads

About freighter fittings and still able to post in them?

I've always liked the idea of just giving freighters module slots like any other ship. Let the captain chose if he wants more cargo or more tank, just like the rest of the industrials.

Haven't really figured that specific out yet. The cost to build one would be significant as I mentioned. So I would imagine it would compare to the materials needed to make it.
As it would cost close to 5-6 times the cost of its standard counter part
I would like to imagine its EHP starts at min double current base class. Though merely doubling it wouldnt relate to its cost so probably slightly more.

I'm a bit advocate on also freighters requiring assistance to haul large expensive items. So I would like to stay away from potentially making these ungankable with external assistance. Main reason why I hesitate to set anything like that in "stone"

I am up for suggestions. For modifications and stats.

Though obviously will outright turn down anything that says "give it a slot" :p Freighter class should not have slots

No, the increased ease of ganking is (if anything) the problem. That's what every single person who complains about this complains about.

I haven't seen a single thread with people saying "freighters are broken because they need more agility."