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Capital reps and Armor Links (Confirmed Stealth Nerf)

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Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-12-04 17:48:59 UTC
Toku Jiang wrote:
So glad I trained for a Chimera.


It's still a bad carrier, the margin of bad just got a little narrower.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-12-04 17:49:25 UTC
okay a qualified post:

Why are wormhole people mad?
- Cycle Time
- Skill Time
- The Bloody fact that by "boosting" Shield Transfer you make Gallente and Amarr Ships almost useless for any PVP based Fleet Doctrine unless you want us to do pillow fights without Web and Scram ...


So yes this change is something we cannot accept and yes this change is almost game breaking for everybody in Wormhole space.

I CAN SEE TENGUS ! SOOO MANY TENGUS!!!

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#103 - 2012-12-04 17:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.


Thank you for making the right decision, I hope that even if something like these is implemented at a later date pilots will at least be able to prepare for it, this is a non-trivial change to capital warfare.

If you want to rebalance this in the future, I think real attention should be paid to the Talisman Implant set, this is already an exceptionally niche pirate set, to remove its affect from capitals basically dooms it to being the other half of the bhaalgorn. I honestly see little application for it outside of that role if capacitor transfer Chimeras and Archons are nerfed.
Ezra Vouland
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-12-04 17:49:35 UTC
That was short lived
Qaldramas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-12-04 17:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Qaldramas
1Compression wrote:

Can anyone provide intelligent explanation/example of the impact this is going to have on triage groups? What will they no longer be able to rep that they could before?

The two main examples that come to mind are engagements where triage carriers are one of the main sources of reps (as in the invasion of J115405 aka RAGE this past weekend) and running Sleeper sites. In both cases the armor reps landing later can mean the ship you are repping dies before the reps hit it (never mind that the total amount of reps you dish out also decreases.) In the case of Sleeper sites, particularly when it comes to running sites in a wormhole other than your home hole (which applies to all who live in C5 and C6 WHs) you do not have the option to simply bring an extra carrier (1st because of mass limits and 2nd because of the extra sleepers that spawn when you bring in another carrier.)

I suspect this also has many implications for large-scale cap fights in low and especially null, but I have no real experience with those engagements so someone else will have to post about that.

Again, as others have been stressing, the loss of total amount repped is certainly unpleasant but in some situations the even worse problem is that your reps might not land in time to save someone's ship.

EDIT: I was posting this while CCP Fozzie was posting his reply, so yeah, sorry this is a few posts after that P
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#106 - 2012-12-04 17:50:32 UTC
yay Big smile

+1 CCP
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#107 - 2012-12-04 17:50:33 UTC
Make babies with me

CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#108 - 2012-12-04 17:51:10 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Toku Jiang wrote:
So glad I trained for a Chimera.


It's still a bad carrier, the margin of bad just got a little narrower.


True that, I rarely use the hunk of junk unless i"m repping a POS shield.
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-12-04 17:51:19 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
Sklling 12m SP in Leadership .. = 8 Plex
Triage T2 Archon = 20 Plex

Realizing that CCP tricked me again... Priceless


Right in the nutset.

I ♥ the orthrus
Sadron
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-12-04 17:51:31 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.


Smart man. No problem.
Fatyn
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#111 - 2012-12-04 17:51:39 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.


Best way to clean up the egg is fast b4 it goes all crusty.

Much appreciated Fozzie :)
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#112 - 2012-12-04 17:52:09 UTC
I find it adorable how 5 minutes ago half of you were rabid and swearing Fozzie was the worst man alive and now you're all over him.

Thanks Fozzie for being straightforward and providing adequate information.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Highfield
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#113 - 2012-12-04 17:52:32 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.


Honest CCP best CCP, making mistakes is bad, but acknowledging them and allowing yourself to stand corrected makes up for a good part of it!
Jack Lo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-12-04 17:52:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.



We love you again. <33
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-12-04 17:52:57 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.


Attaboy. Thanks buddy.

I ♥ the orthrus
Qaldramas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-12-04 17:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Qaldramas
CCP Fozzie wrote:
So here's the deal.

Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong.
What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.

The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.

So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.

We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.

There we go, no hard feelings (well, OK, not too many too terribly hard feelings, at least.Blink) While certainly I'm less than pleased that this ninja nerf happened in the first place, I think you are in the process of a great plan to fix it Big smile Thanks for listening to us CCP (and hopefully this is a good reminder to ask for feedback *before* applying patches in the future.P)
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#117 - 2012-12-04 17:53:53 UTC
Posting to say good job with the quick response fozzie.
Nalren
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-12-04 17:53:58 UTC
Thanks for prioritizing a reply to this, and for checking stuff before continuing to post replies. +1.

Any idea how long this will stay live? "First available patch opportunity" doesn't tell us a whole lot.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#119 - 2012-12-04 17:54:41 UTC
i don't work for the, but if they follow historical patterns it will be a day or two
Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#120 - 2012-12-04 17:54:43 UTC
But this thread was delicious!

Seriously, though, it's neat to see you guys listen to the playerbase.