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My Julutschka
My little tax haven 69
#1 - 2012-12-04 15:21:21 UTC
Hi mission runners,

since the patch I recognize a very strage behaviour when I comes to aggro.

Ofententimes when I jump in a mission, I get aggro from the complete pocket, without even firing one shot and/or deploying drones. I had that with massive attack, intercept the saboteurs and mordus headhunter.

This wasnt the case before and I would like to hear from you, if you made similar observations and if this is working as intended, or just a bug caused by the new (terrible) sleeper AI
Nursultan
Pyrotechnics Inc.
#2 - 2012-12-04 16:48:38 UTC
Well, that's what sleepers and incursion rats do. They don't wait for you to start shooting.
My Julutschka
My little tax haven 69
#3 - 2012-12-04 17:01:35 UTC
which makes full pockets sometimes a bit tricky, since 15 frigs, 20 cruiser and 10 BS are not easily tanked, since now you also have to micro manage your drones as well.....would like to hear if this is working as intended
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#4 - 2012-12-04 17:12:37 UTC
i got the same problem, just post it in the issue thread, because in the pachnotes or in the devblogs wasnt anything about changing the aggro system in missions.

i'm REALY miss the old stuff. 

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=24183
Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#5 - 2012-12-04 17:18:46 UTC
Gustav Mannfred wrote:
i got the same problem, just post it in the issue thread, because in the pachnotes or in the devblogs wasnt anything about changing the aggro system in missions.

You might want to re-read them. CCP made all NPC have sleeper AI so they are going to aggro you just from warping in. We've known about this for the last 2 months.
Berluth Luthian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-04 17:28:28 UTC
I'm beginning to wonder if the NPC AI buff will work out to be a highsec nerf...pushing more people away from missioning to more lucrative space?
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#7 - 2012-12-04 17:34:31 UTC
Tears will be shed over this. Easymode is over. The mechanics are finally FIXED, not broken.
Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#8 - 2012-12-04 17:34:48 UTC
Berluth Luthian wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if the NPC AI buff will work out to be a highsec nerf...pushing more people away from missioning to more lucrative space?

That's possible. Missions like blockade, pirate invasion, smuggler interception,the assault etc will be very hard to tank since they have many ships in a single room.
Robertina Bering
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-04 19:14:07 UTC
Arcosian wrote:
That's possible. Missions like blockade, pirate invasion, smuggler interception,the assault etc will be very hard to tank since they have many ships in a single room.


Blockade. Just don't kill trigger ships from each wave first.
PI, SI, TA... i'm usually do the first shots at every group of npcs to GET aggro from the whole room :)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-12-04 19:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Arcosian wrote:
Gustav Mannfred wrote:
i got the same problem, just post it in the issue thread, because in the pachnotes or in the devblogs wasnt anything about changing the aggro system in missions.

You might want to re-read them. CCP made all NPC have sleeper AI so they are going to aggro you just from warping in. We've known about this for the last 2 months.


Yep and some of us tried telling CCP that it was a better idea to revamp the content to fit with the new AI rather than this patch work mess. The current missions were made in a tie wher ei fCCP wanted to make them more challenging they just added more NPCs, where as sleeper sites were built from the ground up with the sleeper npc behavior in mind, (which is why you don't see sleep sites with 50 ships in them when you warp in).

They, of course, didn't listen.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#11 - 2012-12-04 19:28:06 UTC
now my 1200 dps tank does not seem as silly.... lol
Mund Richard
#12 - 2012-12-04 20:41:15 UTC
Arcosian wrote:
Gustav Mannfred wrote:
i got the same problem, just post it in the issue thread, because in the pachnotes or in the devblogs wasnt anything about changing the aggro system in missions.

You might want to re-read them. CCP made all NPC have sleeper AI so they are going to aggro you just from warping in. We've known about this for the last 2 months.

Except for the part where according to the CCP communication the groups in the pockets are supposed to engage only as they have before.

retribution/upgraded-npc-ai/

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.