Wormholes

I think the new outpost system that has already been discussed will change allot of things for us in WH's and will render this SD issue kind of pointless. Like has already been mentioned the trashing system is the real issue we should be trying to prevent rather than attempting to change the semi broken situation we currently have.

Personally i don't like SD in shield's and no mater what some people have said in this thread most farmers don't even attempt to defend even an even fight. They put all there **** in a suitcase and logg burning everything else on there way out, but this in fairness to them is something that's been done for 1000's of years in the real world why not here.

But i do want more communication from CCP during the development of the new system after all prevention is beater than cure, nobody wants a system that has to be constantly bodged over the year following its release to make work.

Removing the trashing option once your outpost is re-enforced would seem more appropriate maybe?

What the OP suggests would have very severe consequences for any smaller and independent WH entity.

For instance, it is ridiculous to assume an unaffiliated C4 entity can defend themselves against eviction from a C5+ aggressor that is bored enough to attempt this. The aggressor will outgun and out number the defender in any way.

Smaller entities serve as a punching ball already and there is really is no need to implement additional threats to them.

there are some features that may be nice, and it's pretty clear force fields are going to go bye-bye, and so I'll adapt to whatever changes come.
However, I still feel that WH mechanics are NOT broken and are fine as is.

I simply believe more people need to learn to adapt their play style to better suit the game mechanics rather then ***** on the forums to change the game mechanics to better suit their play style.

But maybe that's just me

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If, as you say, no one cares about what us in lower class wormholes have, then why do you suddenly care what size towers we have?

I don't actually care about the SDing in POS shields one way or the other. Personally I'd rather lose it all in a blaze of glory then SD everything. But then I don't really care that much about killboards either.

But limiting tower size in lower class wh's is absurd.

Quite frankly, because it's not as fun. It's a game, it's about fun, and having your fun ruined in this case is a bit disappointing, considering the amount of time that has to be put into it. I think this is probably the case for most people who think SDing and POSs shouldn't mix. It's certainly just an opinion. CCP may well have a different one. We'll see.


It stops at POSs. This isn't about a guaranteed loot pinata, it's about scaling back the mechanics of self destruct, for the hopeful promotion of PvP. Logoff is always going to be a viable tactic. As it should be - it requires planning and patience, and it's a shrew use of game mechanics. This isn't a cry for 'give us more!', it's an issue with a single mechanic. I don't think any reasonable person asking for the change would go farther than that, were it done.


Not at all, though some would argue that they're one and the same in this game. For myself, it's never a matter of proof - we have screenshots and videos for that. I simply think the idea of SDing in POSs to be less fun than the option not to. Call it a sense of self satisfaction, call it a desire to reap the rewards of my hard work, but I think the game plays out better with the mechanic gone than not, without a lot of repercussions in the long term. Again, it's an opinion. No one could say how exactly things would work out were it changed.

Honestly, the point's probably moot. As was mentioned, CCP doesn't like Force Fields, and the new POSs will probably have completely different mechanics to deal with.

to Svodola:

I'm going to give you a break because you don't have enough PVP experience to make this kind of call, but I'll explain why this is completely wrong.

1. Find the least used Killboard

2. Add my main to my alts to make myself look better

Wrong assumptions. Assuming your arguments are the only right ones. Possible fail at reading with comprehension. Possible butthurt.

First of all define enough pvp exeperience. I took most appropriate killboard out there since we are speaking only about hunting and killing stuff in w-space. Riocrokite is my scanner char, has ****** gunnery/missile skills so he misses most of kills. I killed twice as much isk in ships in wormholes as you in +/- 6 months time. And this all with being in similar sized gangs, hunting in lower class wormholes etc. Want to compare who spent more time hunting stuff? What other measurements do you want to make? You talk about efficiency? TBH it tells you nothing. I have 87-92% efficiency depending on what char are you looking at but I like to get into more risky fights having increased chance of loosing ship. I don't care as long as I can get a good fight.

I don't care whether people think I'm good or not. But someone stating I don't have enough PVP experience (especially in wh context you're refering to) and having stats much worse than me requires immediate correction.

I'm not the best PVPer in the world, AT ALL.

I never said that.

There are guys in null-sec that bash capital ships and towers all day, they've destroyed 20 trillion ISK... with 150-1000 of their buddies.

Again possible fail at reading with comprehension. I was comparing just our WH ship kills without pos mods. And when you browse through the kills both of us were flying in small 2-7 man gangs mostly.

You've killed fewer ships than I've lost in this game

Wrong assumption. Do you even know my combat dps chars who get most kills? Anyway your killboard tells the story. Until mid 2012 mostly nullsec pvper. I see more kills in wh from aug-sep 2012. Tell me if I'm wrong. Since PVP in wh is completely different than nullsec (I hope that you have enough experience to know that) I can farily assume I have at least the same amount of wh pvp experience as you. Unless you have other wh combat chars of course that started killing stuff in wh before mid 2012.

I'm a little surprised that you're so short-sighted.

Not really. Stick has always two ends. TBH most WH corps hate pos bashing. Even wh mercs find it boring. Ask them. It's reflected i.e. in their services prices. Safety of assets and denial to aggressor, on the other hand, is keeping too many inactive corps in w-space. If any new rule would learn people not to keep assets they are not ready to loose @ poses and if not deal with consequences. It would increase diplomacy role in w-space which is underused imho.

I don't really have time to comment about your other statements that are false becuase of wrong assumptions.

To everyone:

What I was trying to communicate:

Hey guys let's try to change self-destruct @ POS rule for some time (before POS revamp hits) and see what happens. If it's bad let's go back to previous system. If it happens to be good let's push for no 'trash' button in new poses having a good evidence of increased pvp activity (and tears ?) because of that. I was also a little bit surprised (as well as others) that this hasn't been changed in this patch. So I started a thread about it. So far people are divided by the topic but consensus among big guys (at least those closer to Two Step) is that SD change won't be a good thing. Fair enough.

my epeens bigger ...

I would not mind something along these lines.