Warfare & Tactics

Thats a decent pick but I really haven't looked at the t2 frigates much lately.

Also won't the missile changes help the missile dessie quite a bit. I think rockets will now benefit from the skill that allows you to hit smaller targets. Plus the drone boats might be tough. One destroyer gets a bonus to neuts I think. That plex size will have too many uncertainties for me to try to figure out. I will let other do that, and copy fits.

Finally IMO losing a low slot wiill hurt the coercer more than gaining a mid.

(Increased supply due to several Caldari Tier V payouts)

Thanks!

They split up frigate plexs into one for t1 and one for t2 but they didn't do it for cruiser plexs?
Odd. I thought one of the best parts about FW was that t1 ships could fly around without being wrecked by the much superior t2 ships. I guess there are still novice plexs but really tech1 ship fights sound way more fun than t2 ship fights.

Take a Curse and a dps buddy in (Rupture maybe) and cap both of them out? With the cruiser rebalanced though there may be more viability for T1 cruisers in general to be used. Especially now with t1 logi support, because if you can fit a somewhat useful logi for under 20 mil and same with the rest of the cruisers. You could have a hole gang out there for the cost of one Scimi or one Vaga. Which would hopefully mean more willingness to fight and put those not so shiny T1 boats at risk.

I think the price difference, now more than ever, is plenty to stop a real proliferation in pirate faction frigates. Also, some of the faction frigates can be very effective in countering the pirate ones.
The main problem now will not be faction versus pirate faction. It will be T1 versus faction. Most of them are worlds apart. Ships like the Hookbill can be fit as an effective counter to an enormous range of fits on T1 frigates and as is the privilege of frigates you just don't engage what you can't kill. A quick look at their speed and guns and you still have the time to warp off.

I thought the novice plexes were meant to be a playing group for the cheap ships. Currently they will not be, far from it in fact. And as I stated in my original post, there is no reason to ban destroyers from them if faction frigates aren't.

This has never been true imo. I always hear this argument that price is a barrier, but the fact is that there are lots of players in fw and the local pirate community, that have more then enough isk to field dd's and drams. Price is never a barrier if it was they wouldn't of nerfed the dramiel. I hope that they change the novice to just t1 and perhaps navy faction or if pirate is to remain i hope they allow the destroyers. However then why have the novice. To me the word novice next to dramiel and daredevil just looks silly. Only new players who are stupid and have more money then skill and brains fly dd's and dramiels. Those ships are mostly flown by the most expierenced pilots in the game. It seems novice is meant to be a play ground of pvp for newer players to have a level playing field and allowing the pirate faction ships in what is suppose to be "novice" is a little ridiculous and not well thought out by ccp.

It's not for everyone. It is for many. Also: back then Dramiels were like 45mil. Now they're close to 80mil. Daredevils are even more expensive.
Yes, a lot of people can afford them, but many still can't. And out of those that can a lot won't fly them simply because they don't feel comfortable flying 100mil frigates.



I agree. I'd only want them in the novice if faction frigates remained in those.

this is true and whats nice is that a dd or dramiel is not gonna take on a goup of t1's and murder them anymore. Heck a merlin and griffin can take out anyone of these frigs. I guess i'm thinking more about solo 1v1 fights. Although like the other guy said if i'm in t1 ship i'm not gonna fight any of those ships without back up so they wont get fights but i'm not really arguing that. I'm more stating that it's let down for me that pirate frigs are allowed in novices because if it was only t1 or t1 and navy frigs then there would be a whole lot of fights. ships like dd's and dramiels in a novice won't promote fights it will promots guys in those ships sitting in plexes killing any t1's 1 v 1 or warping away when they see that there is two. I think novices would be better as just t1 or at most navy factions. Anyway i'm repeating myself hopefully others feel the same but either way i'm stoked about up comming changes and hope it leads to more small gang space fights then we currently have in gal v cal fw.

Just to stress what Fozzie said - none of the complex ship restrictions are set in stone until the end of time... we will monitor the situation and if we feel some ships offer an unfair advantage we will change it up.