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How many of you have NEVER left highsec? Why?
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Sibius Aidon
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#61 - 2012-12-03 21:27:38 UTC
My AO is in high sec. It's where I do everything from mining to missions. I like high sec because I don't have to worry TOO much (but the system I operate in borders lowsec, which I've had encounters with suicide gankers), about being ganked/ganged all the time. So, I can mine is peace. I also don't feel like moving the hundreds of equipment I have at the base I op out of to a new home. Also because I'm relatively new and don't feel ready to deal or afford the dangers of lowsec.

I do know that nullsec can be relatively safer than low or high simply because, what has been stated before, players don't dwell there. But, I do enjoy jumping through lowsec at the thrill of having a chance to be shot at by real players and not NPC rats. And this is just my view on this, but, perhaps some players feel safer in dangerous places than they do in systems surrounded by naval police forces and CONCORD.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-12-03 21:34:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tippia's point is that you have absolutely no correlation between characters and people.
^^ This.

Yes, we have character distribution. This tells us squat about where the players live. In fact, one of the more sane interpretations would put roughly 1 in 3 players as “highseccers” and 2/3ds as low/null/w-spacers.


Was agreeing that there's absolutely no correlation, and then immediately proposing a "more sane interpretation(s)" unintentional or planned comedy relief?

All we have are characters, as I said before and you've agreed. Talking people is just making things up.

On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive, we may know something about population distribution. If the vast majority of characters are inactive, we know less about population distribution and more about the general state of the game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2012-12-03 21:43:14 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Was agreeing that there's absolutely no correlation, and then immediately proposing a "more sane interpretation(s)" unintentional or planned comedy relief?
No, it's just stating what it is: we have no correlation, but based on other statistics (most of them very vague and half hear-say), we can interpret the data.

Quote:
Talking people is just making things up.
…and yet people keep doing exactly that, which is what I objected to. No. There is no “disproportionately large population of the game” that never leaves highsec. In reality, it's an unknown proportion and our best guess is that it's actually quite a large one.

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On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive
Inactive accounts are not included in the count.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#64 - 2012-12-03 22:00:57 UTC
Kimsemus wrote:
I think everyone reacts to different situations differently. I am actually at the lowest "stress" level in big fights. Any trepedation I feel is completely wiped out by a burning adrenaline rush that no other game has been able to replicate for me

The exact opposite of me. The best way for me to tolerate a PvP experience is to, as much as possible, suppress the adrenaline.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#65 - 2012-12-03 22:05:10 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Kimsemus wrote:
I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec, I wanted to ask some highsec dwellers why this was, and what were their personal reasons.

I, like everyone else, started my journey in highsec. I dabbled with industry early on, but always found myself wondering what life was like outside the "wall" of NPC protected space, living on Pikeura in Lonetrek a few jumps from Jita and 1 jump from lowsec, the temptation to explore was ever present.

It wasn't long before I found myself in lowsec, pirating before knowing what "piracy" was in EVE, and generally just flying about looking for fights. I had gotten ganked many times doing this, and started myself on a road to get better at the game and hone my skills.

Years later, I've found myself in nullsec, where I've lived almost concurrently for nearly five years. I stop through highsec a few times a year, but I feel like a foreigner wandering in a strange, dangerous place. It's funny...I feel like highsec is far more deadly than 0.0. In 0.0 it's NBSI, if you're an alliance member I can trust you, everyone else I kill. I can see my enemy and I know him and I will try to kill him before he kills me, and that is all there is to it. It is a straightforward wild west kind of scenario.

In highsec, there are enemies around every corner, hiding, waiting. They public is their shield, and you never know when a ganker is hiding among the mission runners, carebears, and industrialists. I can't relax, I always feel like I'm about to be ambushed, attacked, or walleyed in some way. I prefer the predictable hyper-violence of 0.0 over high or lowsec.

Who else feels this way? What keeps you in highsec, if you choose to stay there? I've found fortune and kills in 0.0...getting rich and murder are my main draws in this game. (Usually the two are related, war is a very profitable business for a PVPer with a modicum of business acumen).

Tell me your stories: Why highsec?


I live in Null atm and I have lived in hi-sec. If you have ever tried to get past all the gate camps to get to null you wouldnt have to ask this question. I made it a few times in a cloaky but I have seen 8 year vets not make it.


Consider changing your route. The shortest route is not always the quickest

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Dave Stark
#66 - 2012-12-03 22:06:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Kimsemus wrote:
I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec, I wanted to ask some highsec dwellers why this was, and what were their personal reasons.

I, like everyone else, started my journey in highsec. I dabbled with industry early on, but always found myself wondering what life was like outside the "wall" of NPC protected space, living on Pikeura in Lonetrek a few jumps from Jita and 1 jump from lowsec, the temptation to explore was ever present.

It wasn't long before I found myself in lowsec, pirating before knowing what "piracy" was in EVE, and generally just flying about looking for fights. I had gotten ganked many times doing this, and started myself on a road to get better at the game and hone my skills.

Years later, I've found myself in nullsec, where I've lived almost concurrently for nearly five years. I stop through highsec a few times a year, but I feel like a foreigner wandering in a strange, dangerous place. It's funny...I feel like highsec is far more deadly than 0.0. In 0.0 it's NBSI, if you're an alliance member I can trust you, everyone else I kill. I can see my enemy and I know him and I will try to kill him before he kills me, and that is all there is to it. It is a straightforward wild west kind of scenario.

In highsec, there are enemies around every corner, hiding, waiting. They public is their shield, and you never know when a ganker is hiding among the mission runners, carebears, and industrialists. I can't relax, I always feel like I'm about to be ambushed, attacked, or walleyed in some way. I prefer the predictable hyper-violence of 0.0 over high or lowsec.

Who else feels this way? What keeps you in highsec, if you choose to stay there? I've found fortune and kills in 0.0...getting rich and murder are my main draws in this game. (Usually the two are related, war is a very profitable business for a PVPer with a modicum of business acumen).

Tell me your stories: Why highsec?


I live in Null atm and I have lived in hi-sec. If you have ever tried to get past all the gate camps to get to null you wouldnt have to ask this question. I made it a few times in a cloaky but I have seen 8 year vets not make it.


Consider changing your route. The shortest route is not always the quickest


pod express is always the fastest, and it's always only 1 jump.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#67 - 2012-12-03 22:09:31 UTC
My reason for staying in hisec? I quite frankly enjoy the paranoia, or more specificly, causing it to devastating or profitable effect. OP's feelings about hisec may very well be wholly justified.

Nah, just trolling Lol ... maybe? Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#68 - 2012-12-03 22:10:11 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
pod express is always the fastest, and it's always only 1 jump undock.
Fixed. No need to jump anywhere… P
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-12-03 22:13:52 UTC
I stay in high sec to **** the null bears off.
Working as intended.
Bump Truck
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-12-03 22:36:44 UTC
Traska Gannel wrote:
...

4) You can do almost any activity in high sec except pvp ... you might be able to do them better in 0.0 or WH space but you can still do them and the additional reward does not appear to be equal to the perceived risk of 0.0 and low sec.
...




there you go.


Personally I love null. I was thinking the other day about when I first started and lived alone in Clellinon and mined Veld in a Navitas and was scared to go three jumps out on a mission.

Those were fun times.

As you go along your horizons just get bigger and you want to explore, dream, discover.

I think if your idea of "leaving highsec" is jumping in a ship and flying in to low / null then it's kind of your own fault you get blown up, where's the research?

What about one of the Uni's to teach you, what about a corp to join who'll look after you until you learn the ropes? What do you expect to find just flying there? Mountains of gold?

I flew into and out of NPC null a few times as a carebear, occasionally I got podded. It's a silly thing to do.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-12-03 22:43:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No, it's just stating what it is: we have no correlation, but based on other statistics (most of them very vague and half hear-say), we can interpret the data.


Vague, hearsay statistics?

And from this you glean your "more sane interpretation". Straight

Again, there is no correlation, talking people is making things up. Vague, hearsay things no doubt.

Tippia wrote:
Quote:
Talking people is just making things up.
…and yet people keep doing exactly that, which is what I objected to. No. There is no “disproportionately large population of the game” that never leaves highsec.


Ah, your confusion becomes more evident. I never said the was a “disproportionately large population of the game” that never leaves highsec. I said essentially what you'd already agreed to: a super-majority of characters never leaves highsec. This is the data we have. No?

You, in fact, are one of the people doing what you object to.


Tippia wrote:
Quote:
On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive
Inactive accounts are not included in the count.


Accounts != characters. The data we have is that the large majority of characters never leaves highsec, correct? So we know all those characters that never leave are attached to active accounts.

Now, if we new how many characters each account had created...
Diamond Bull
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-12-03 22:46:32 UTC
Freighters move to slow and my stuff is worth too much?


Wait....


I have a JF. Never mind.


I have left high sec. I lived for a few weeks in a WH. I lived in 0.0. I have lived in low sec. For me it just isn't worth the inconvenience. Even if though I only lost a few ships in null and low, never lost one in the WH, and was able to carry on I just didn't like it. I don't get a thrill out of PvP (as in ship to ship combat), I find it tedious, and I like shopping too much. I am capable of making metric tons of ISK and I like spending it. With the exception of carriers there is nothing in Null I can or want to spend it on that I can't spend it on in High Sec. I could buy another carrier or pimp another faction battleship. Hmmm.... Actually I think I need another freighter.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#73 - 2012-12-03 22:47:07 UTC
I've never left highsec

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-12-03 22:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Uh, I have six accounts. Two of the accounts have nothing but characters that I've never taken out of hisec. Most of the other accounts have at least one character that I've never taken out of hisec as well.

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BlackCobalt
#75 - 2012-12-03 23:07:53 UTC
It depends on eveyday life if ppl alot of ppl work long hours and feel safer in high sec then in null and see null as being unsafe. Plus alot of older timers feel safer in high sec if they have more then five accounts running. The cost of buying ships gets expensive look at the charron.

And it depends as well on what you want from eve.
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#76 - 2012-12-03 23:22:57 UTC
Because everyone who lives in low/null/wh, has one or more alts in highsec.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#77 - 2012-12-03 23:35:44 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Because everyone who lives in low/null/wh, has one or more alts in highsec.


Because it's where all the action is Big smile

Anyone who seriously does L4s instead of making isk in 0.0 is so very lost. I personally don't believe such a person exists at all, and it's just more propaganda. But on the small chance they do exist, you are bad, and should feel bad.

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Sickburn
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-12-03 23:43:36 UTC
low and null are too easy, i like the danger of highsec
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-12-04 00:00:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
Uh, I have six accounts. Two of the accounts have nothing but characters that I've never taken out of hisec. Most of the other accounts have at least one character that I've never taken out of hisec as well.


Well there we go.

A couple 10's of thousands of data points more, and we'll have the beginnings of a picture.
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-12-04 00:00:56 UTC
Why leave perfectly good space? I have been doing some roams lately trying to figure out why people enjoy ship PvP so much but I honestly don't know how to feel about it... I sink quite a bit of isk into it making sure I have ships somewhat decently fit if my skills allow and yet the action I see does not really make up for the endless hours I have to grind to get that isk back... Maybe I have to join a null corp to see the full effect of ship pvp but I don't think that will happen any time soon...

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