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How many of you have NEVER left highsec? Why?
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Be4st
The Abusement Park
#41 - 2012-12-03 19:19:58 UTC
Some of the highsec dwellers I have spoken to have said that they never have the need to leave highsec due to the ISK you can make there which I agree on. I PVP in low and null and highsec is the place I go to replenish my wallet. I do lvl 4's and that's it. The dwellers have said countless times that they have MASSIVE wallets and that is to do with Incursions which is wrong. (I refuse to do Incursions due to the stuck up elitist attitude where they will only take a 3 bill Tengu if it has T2 rigs. Personally, I reckon CCP should stick the Incursion HQ's in low or null to get these bears out of the safety of highsec.)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#42 - 2012-12-03 19:53:18 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Well, I do leave high sec, and in fact am currently in W-space. But the vast majority of my play time is spent on an alt in high sec. Why?

Stress. I do not like it. It makes me feel bad, sometimes sick. For some the stress of PvP combat gives them The Rush. For me it does the exact opposite, leaving me feeling drained and horrid. This is true on low sec roams Ive been on where we met nothing, or we met something and won. I do not play a game to feel drained and horrid.


You do realize this is a computer game and that ship you lost was just pixels and data, right?

I do know what you mean though. I used to feel stress a lot in fights (i got lower back pains sometimes) but the more i participated, the less the stress got to me.


When I lose a ship to the NPCs (not often, but it does happen. ) it hardly effects on me at all. Last one was a Proteus lost to WC4 where I totally screwed up target selection. "Hm, a billion plus isk gone. Guess Ill have to get another. Oh well." (Oddly I had another, one I stole during a low sec POS bash. My most recent PvP experience, about 6 months ago.) Its the knowledge that there is a person on the other keyboard that causes the stress. The fact that its PvP combat is the issue, a confrontational interaction with another person, not the medium by which the combat takes place, or what "material" is gained or lost as a result.

Ive tried to "get use" to it, but it seems that every exposure to the stress makes me more sensitive to it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2012-12-03 20:05:20 UTC
Kimsemus wrote:
I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec
Not quite. What the QEN (and the various population stats replacing it) has shown is that a large portion of characters never leave highsec.

Behind those numbers, it's not particularly hard to see an interpretation where some 2/3 people consistently sit outside of highsec, which isn't particularly disproportionate (although the numbers for lowsec might still be a bit… off…).
Dave stark
#44 - 2012-12-03 20:11:43 UTC
because i make more isk in high sec. may as well leave all of my alts in high sec, move one character out of high sec and then funnel all the funds from the isk making wonder of high sec to my not-in-high-sec character for "fun times".

in short; it's because there's no reason to move out of high sec if you want to make isk.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-03 20:24:13 UTC
Because my ships would not survive anyway and I have not yet found a home for myself in a corp to go do stuff out of high-sec. I see no point in going to low/null sec to get blown up if I have nothing to do there.

I'll see later in my eve time.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-12-03 20:31:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kimsemus wrote:
I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec
Not quite. What the QEN (and the various population stats replacing it) has shown is that a large portion of characters never leave highsec.

Behind those numbers, it's not particularly hard to see an interpretation where some 2/3 people consistently sit outside of highsec,..


Sure it is: there are no people sitting anywhere in EVE, only characters. And the vast majority of the characters never leave highsec.

Are there stats for where the majority of characters log in? Without that, any interpretation concerning people is just made up.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-12-03 20:33:27 UTC
Push poll anyone? Almost as if the OP is far less interested in GATHERING opinions than INFLUENCING opinions.

I play high sec because the rewards of low sec do not justify the risks, and the rewards of null do not justify the politics.

Yes, in high sec you can get ganked.... but I can't recall the last time I was ganked i high sec.... years for sure. In high sec the hasle is he war decs, but even those are fairly easily avoidable.

High sec... less BS. No afk cloakers, no hot drops, few gate campers, no roaving PVP gangs.


I'm an unashamed carebear. Since I have little to no interest in PVP, there is little reason for me to leave high sec and deal with the BS I have found elsewhere in game.

(Here is a hint. You can not make the rewards high enough in low or null to make it worth leaving high sec. I'd leave the game long before I moved to low, or moved back to null.)
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-12-03 20:37:50 UTC
Because I have no interest in dealing with sociopath, belligerent undesirables who take joy in ruining another persons fun.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-12-03 20:46:20 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
take joy in ruining another persons fun.

I did some of that in high-sec last night.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#50 - 2012-12-03 20:48:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Oh really. I had no idea what I was flying for once, just to give it a try. Roll

EDIT: not really sure what you are trying to accomplish beyond obviously stating the Obvious, just to be obvious.

See Post #10.


Why would you post the obvious if you didn't want it discussed. If you don't want stuff discussed, don't post it.

Re: post 10.

If you went to lowsec seeking PI, then suprise suprise you found it there. It is certainly not the most compelling content available in lowsec, nor the most lucrative (and more lucrative content can be found with a covops - essentially a dead safe business), and then run with a battlecruiser which can be T2 fit and insured, and they are pretty hard to lose if you keep the thing in a backwater station and don't run it through the border between low/high frequently.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#51 - 2012-12-03 20:52:45 UTC
Leave high sec?

I rarely even leave my station. Space is too scary for me.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-12-03 20:56:40 UTC
Tauranon wrote:

Re: post 10.

If you went to lowsec seeking PI, then suprise suprise you found it there.


Hardly. Been doing it almost daily for 2 years straight and lost nothing till that Bustard. THAT was my point, not your rambling nonsense.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-12-03 20:59:27 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
As surprising as it may be to some null/low-sec dwellers, some people really have no interest in the hassle of living outside of highsec. They don't want to deal with blob bubble camps, afk-cloakers, blops, and super carrier hot drops.


those are things that do not exist in wormholes

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2012-12-03 21:04:56 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Sure it is: there are no people sitting anywhere in EVE, only characters. And the vast majority of the characters never leave highsec.
…and that means nothing as far as telling how many of us have left highsec. That's the entire problem with the oft-cited population numbers and the conclusions people try to draw from them: we have absolutely no idea how many people are actual high-seccers and how many play their game outside of highsec.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-12-03 21:07:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
As surprising as it may be to some null/low-sec dwellers, some people really have no interest in the hassle of living outside of highsec. They don't want to deal with blob bubble camps, afk-cloakers, blops, and super carrier hot drops.


those are things that do not exist in wormholes



Really? Blink

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2012-12-03 21:14:00 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Andski wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
As surprising as it may be to some null/low-sec dwellers, some people really have no interest in the hassle of living outside of highsec. They don't want to deal with blob bubble camps, afk-cloakers, blops, and super carrier hot drops.
those are things that do not exist in wormholes
Really? Blink

No local = no AFK cloaking.
No jumps = no hotdrops.
No jumps = little to no point in blops.
No jumps and no sov = no supercaps.

That just leaves the odd blob with bubbles, and you can blow those up with ease. So yes, really.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-12-03 21:17:43 UTC
Be4st wrote:
I refuse to do X because of my prejudicial misconceptions towards an aspect of the game I have no experience with

You're part of the problem.

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Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-12-03 21:18:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
Sure it is: there are no people sitting anywhere in EVE, only characters. And the vast majority of the characters never leave highsec.
…and that means nothing as far as telling how many of us have left highsec. That's the entire problem with the oft-cited population numbers and the conclusions people try to draw from them: we have absolutely no idea how many people are actual high-seccers and how many play their game outside of highsec.


Except that the only data we have (as far as I'm aware, please feel free to point me to something else) is that a super-majority of characters never leave highsec.

Unless a corresponding super-majority of characters is also inactive, that quite definitely says something about the state of the game population.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-12-03 21:21:57 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
Sure it is: there are no people sitting anywhere in EVE, only characters. And the vast majority of the characters never leave highsec.
…and that means nothing as far as telling how many of us have left highsec. That's the entire problem with the oft-cited population numbers and the conclusions people try to draw from them: we have absolutely no idea how many people are actual high-seccers and how many play their game outside of highsec.


Except that the only data we have (as far as I'm aware, please feel free to point me to something else) is that a super-majority of characters never leave highsec.

Unless a corresponding super-majority of characters is also inactive, that quite definitely says something about the state of the game population.

Tippia's point is that you have absolutely no correlation between characters and people.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2012-12-03 21:27:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tippia's point is that you have absolutely no correlation between characters and people.
^^ This.

Yes, we have character distribution. This tells us squat about where the players live. In fact, one of the more sane interpretations would put roughly 1 in 3 players as “highseccers” and 2/3ds as low/null/w-spacers.

Hell, if you listen to the stories of the posting non-highsec population, you'd rather arrive at something along the lines of 120% of people living in null (but that mainly serves to illustrate why the forum-goers are not all that representative). P