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The non-political and non-religious gay marriage thread!

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-02 22:17:03 UTC
Start accepting it or they'll just marry your girlfriend!

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#2 - 2012-12-02 22:25:48 UTC
A mother****ing kish. Lol

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-12-03 05:09:26 UTC
The rare slam dunk argument.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-03 07:06:41 UTC
This argument is not only hilarious, but also genius and it might just work.

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Miss Piggy
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-03 16:19:18 UTC
2 strikes and i am out if I give a genuine reply.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2012-12-03 16:31:55 UTC
I've noticed a remarkable increase in straight University male students to specifically request gay roommates because they won't steal your girlfriend!

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Miss Piggy
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-03 16:53:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I've noticed a remarkable increase in straight University male students to specifically request gay roommates because they won't steal your girlfriend!


I was setup M'lud.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-12-03 16:56:09 UTC
Miss Piggy wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I've noticed a remarkable increase in straight University male students to specifically request gay roommates because they won't steal your girlfriend!


I was setup M'lud.



Irrelevant to thread.

...and old news.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#9 - 2012-12-03 17:10:42 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
The rare slam dunk argument.


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2012-12-03 17:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
That is genius, I just don't get all the opposition to gay marriage, if people love each other and are willing to make that commitment then let them. My brother married his long time boyfriend not so long ago, he was really quite worried about what my fathers attitude would be as he can be quite old fashioned in his views, he was shocked when my father offered to be his best man at the wedding with the comment "if you're happy then I'm happy for you". Me, I gave away the "bride" as he has no living relatives in this country.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2012-12-03 17:16:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
That is genius, I just don't get all the opposition to gay marriage, if people love each other and are willing to make that commitment then let them. My brother married his long time boyfriend not so long ago, he was really quite worried about what my fathers attitude would be as he can be quite old fashioned in his views, he was shocked when my father offered to be his best man at the wedding with the comment, if you're happy then I'm happy for you.



Religions keep perpetuating hate, as they always have. Esp here in America.

The rhetoric is so vitriolic it's not even arguments, just hate filled pronouncements and semantic distortions.

Ultimately, they are just afraid of themselves and 'what they might do'. It's their way of protecting themselves from 'temptation' as the hardcore Muslin beliefs put the onus on women to protect the men from 'temptation'. It's a sign of cultural infantilism tbh.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-03 17:25:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
That is genius, I just don't get all the opposition to gay marriage, if people love each other and are willing to make that commitment then let them. My brother married his long time boyfriend not so long ago, he was really quite worried about what my fathers attitude would be as he can be quite old fashioned in his views, he was shocked when my father offered to be his best man at the wedding with the comment, if you're happy then I'm happy for you.



Religions keep perpetuating hate, as they always have. Esp here in America.

The rhetoric is so vitriolic it's not even arguments, just hate filled pronouncements and semantic distortions.

Ultimately, they are just afraid of themselves and 'what they might do'. It's their way of protecting themselves from 'temptation' as the hardcore Muslin beliefs put the onus on women to protect the men from 'temptation'. It's a sign of cultural infantilism tbh.


So you guys couldn't keep this thread non-political or non-religious even for a single page Straight
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2012-12-03 17:28:10 UTC
That's the very FAULT of politicians and religions for making it their issue.

Now and forever bound together............

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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-03 18:19:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
That's the very FAULT of politicians and religions for making it their issue.

Now and forever bound together............

It would be a bad thing for the state to dictate to religions what the definition of marriage is. This is not an argument over who can have what relationship, no matter how much the proponents of these new "rights" claim it is. It is an argument over how far the government can go in overseeing the practice of religion. Or do you think that the philosophy of separation of church and state is only valid when discussing religion's influence on government?

Civil unions for all.

BTW: This is a philosophical post, not a political one.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-12-03 18:28:11 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:

It would be a bad thing for the state to dictate to religions what the definition of marriage is.
Civil unions for all.



It is a bad thing for religions to dictate to the state what marriage is, as they most definitely do. (Fixed that for you).

Civil Unions do not carry anywhere the legal weight as marriage under American Laws.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-03 19:13:23 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:

It would be a bad thing for the state to dictate to religions what the definition of marriage is.
Civil unions for all.



It is a bad thing for religions to dictate to the state what marriage is, as they most definitely do. (Fixed that for you).

Civil Unions do not carry anywhere the legal weight as marriage under American Laws.

By saying civil unions for all, I was implying we ought to repair that. Most Western governments borrow the notion of marriage from Judeo-Christian definitions. By repairing civil unions and using them as a replacement you fix those deficiencies. Unless the sound and fury isn't really about common law property division, hospital visitation, power of attorney, tax consideration... etc.

If it's instead about demanding that religions change their doctrine to recognize the relationship as marriage, up to and including the performing of ceremonies, through legal means, then that is something everyone should be against. That is religion defined by government, and that's bad. A structure that can force things one way can force them a different way. Better to not create such a structure.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#17 - 2012-12-03 19:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The real argument that is avoided by both sides because they are too stupid and emotional is this:

the whole thing started over benefits to state employees that depended on marital status. In the US, if you work for a state or the government, you get one heck of a benefits package for medical that far outweighs those of the private sector.

If you work in the private sector (also known as "the producers") you will pay big $$ for medical benefits for spouses and family. If you work in the public sector (also known as "tax feeders") you can be single and get benefits and pay nothing, or you can get married and have kids and...... still pay nothing.

So of course if you cannot marry your partner, well, seems unfair, don't it? Some people thought so, and so wanted the laws (more like rules) changed so the people playing on the other team and get married and the partners of the tax feeders can also feed at the trough.


Well, it's OPM (other people's money), you see. If you don't pay your taxes, you get letters. Ignore those letters, and people show up. Bar the door, and more people show up, with guns. Resist them, and they use those guns on you.

So basically, it's armed robbery. On the left they scream "social contract social contract social contract" yet I doubt anybody can recall signing on any dotted line. The right will scream "rule of law rule of law rule of law" without questioning who passed it, as if being outvoted by morons makes something right (lots of people thought slavery was OK did that make it right?)

Courts, cases, lawsuits, will result because people generally don't feel like there's any good outcome to shooting cops and tax collectors.

So, here come the well-funded bible-thumpers to make it all about morality. Here come the well-funded monkey wrenchers to make it all about political correctness and tolerance.

But lo and behold, that whole system of tax feeders living high on the hog for menial work while real producers have to suffer is not addressed.
The system of "taking money from person A and giving it to person B" is not in question. Like it's natural, like blue skies and green grass. No question there. This is why both sides of the issue are well funded.


And if the real argument had been addressed, it would never have been religious nor would it have been political.

Religion and politics working as intended.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2012-12-03 19:37:56 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


the whole thing started over benefits to state employees that depended on marital status. In the US, if you work for a state or the government, you get one heck of a benefits package for medical that far outweighs those of the private sector.




Actually, it has a LOT more to do with even having the right to visit one's partner while in the hospital.

And do not argue with me on this point. I'm 47 and survived the worst days of the AIDS Crisis, and this was THE issue.

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#19 - 2012-12-03 19:38:46 UTC
this one`s just as good Big smile

I better tell the wife
Big smile
Borascus
#20 - 2012-12-03 20:13:25 UTC
There is a dictator joke in there somewhere....
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