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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#201 - 2012-12-03 15:40:40 UTC
remove titan jump bridges from titans and give them to black ops ships so they can use covert OR titan class jump bridge.

use covert send in the bombers with a cyno, refit for titan jump bridge and thar ya go..

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#202 - 2012-12-03 15:46:49 UTC
make bridges need 2 or more ships to set up a complete bridge. one in your space, 1 in hostile and depending on range 1 or 2 in the middle to give greater range to the bridge

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Minty Moon
#203 - 2012-12-03 19:17:27 UTC
Jassmin Joy wrote:
Minty Moon wrote:
Jassmin Joy wrote:


But all that aside, why does it actually need nerfed? What possible role would the titan have afterwards? this is, yet again. another case of "i cant counter this ccp, so nerf it plox!"


No one says titans cant be killed, but as everyone argues their only purpose is to bridge and if they can do that safely inside a POS how often does someone get a chance to kill one? Outside of managing to bait one, rarely are they used in actual combat or must suffer any risk at all to utilize their "only" purpose.


They hardly get used Because they're so useless at everything else, You're literally taking the one thing a titan can do. and trying to nerf it to the ground. also titans don't cost "30billion isk" they cost triple that, and depend on actual titan type and fittings,Quadruple that.

i can slightly agree with the whole pos situation, but i don't think there's anything wrong with the titan, or bridging in itself, just the way eve has evolved.


The titan could be re purposed to you know be useful in SOV warfare. It doesnt have to have its only purpose now being a jump portal

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Kalissis
#204 - 2012-12-03 21:33:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalissis
Seranova Farreach wrote:
remove titan jump bridges from titans and give them to black ops ships so they can use covert OR titan class jump bridge.

use covert send in the bombers with a cyno, refit for titan jump bridge and thar ya go..

You must be joking, srsly! So you replace a problem with the same problem?! Why would anybody do this...

Seranova Farreach wrote:

make bridges need 2 or more ships to set up a complete bridge. one in your space, 1 in hostile and depending on range 1 or 2 in the middle to give greater range to the bridge

You srsly need to log in to Eve more, just saying.. it is exactly working like that (except the middle bull), you need 2 ships for a bridge (cyno+bridge ship).

I recommend to read DNS Blacks post again, or some of the useful posts here. You'll maybe realize giving the bridge to another ship is not the solution, either some middle ships to even extend its range, great lets log in all (noob) cyno ships and bridge with only one bridge to the other end of the universe. Thats a really great idea.. isnt it?
Akelorian
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#205 - 2012-12-04 23:22:26 UTC
Are you kidding me? You nerf the hell out of titans already and now you want to remove the final role of a titan? Seriously people have a box of tissues and go live in empire. you've already effectively made this ship useless, seriously ffs grow up.

~bitter titan pilot~
Kalissis
#206 - 2012-12-04 23:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalissis
Akelorian wrote:
Are you kidding me? You nerf the hell out of titans already and now you want to remove the final role of a titan? Seriously people have a box of tissues and go live in empire. you've already effectively made this ship useless, seriously ffs grow up.

~bitter titan pilot~


Now lets assume once the titan bridge is gone your titan will do more then collecting dust in a pos and from time to time open up a bridge here and there... It will maybe have some fighting role as well, or are you as a titan pilot fine with being useless except one thing that makes so much fun - bridging?!

Have you really trained (and payed) for the expensivest ship (and supposedly best) ingame just to use it for collecting dust and bridging? I know I didnt, and my titan has no need to bridge someone because my alliance have enough titans to do the job and when I'm asked to grind structures... well this is not what I think of as the fun part of Eve.
Mirima Thurander
#207 - 2012-12-05 01:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Titans have no role.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2012-12-05 03:56:31 UTC
can we also remove all weapons? id like to be able to mine peacefully... oh and dont forget bumpers, i HATE them all
Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2012-12-05 03:59:26 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Titans have no role.

They where cool when there was only a few of them and they where op.

Then we ended up with undefeatable blobs of them. So they got the nurf bat.

So now there so common there making eve game play lose some of its depth. By makeing epic fleet fights feel not so epic. O fleet fight are larger, but theres very little build up to them any more.

I play eve because World of tanks FFA stile jump right in instant gratification game play is not appealing to me and that's what instant action titan bridging has turn eve fleet fights into.

Playing eve used to be like a epic chess game/space sim/just freaking awesome.

Now it feels like world of tanks with space ships. And that makes me sad.



So its not about nurfing your ship because its overpowered its about nurfing your ship to promote deeper gameplay with in the eve universe.


and how will that make game play deeper? should we not nerf the bridge and not remove them, by making it cost a bit more then pennies?
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#210 - 2012-12-05 04:43:05 UTC
It removes the other function of a titan other than 1-shotting capitals and being a super-dreadnought

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#211 - 2012-12-05 05:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Iam sorry guys you are removing the gates of eve. The greatest conflict creator in the game. Step out side the force projection box and ask you this.

Would you stop playing eve if titan bridges did not exist? Would you be willing to kill who ever regardless of the gates. if your answer =

No and Yes then you my friend are understanding eve. If it is Yes then NO you need to go back to the other games you came from cause the sand box is no place for you. The navigation of new eden is what made this game the single great space sims ever created. Iam just sad that so many have no idea how great this game is they are playing and the economy of the CCP is no attached to them.
Konrad Kane
#212 - 2012-12-05 10:00:07 UTC
Akelorian wrote:
Are you kidding me? You nerf the hell out of titans already and now you want to remove the final role of a titan? Seriously people have a box of tissues and go live in empire. you've already effectively made this ship useless, seriously ffs grow up.

~bitter titan pilot~


I just have to say this, I'd be far more annoyed if I were a Titan pilot that its only role seems to be acting as a dad's taxi to a drake horde than people suggesting that bridging was removed and the Titan given a proper job.

I'm sure you don't enjoy flying a mobile jump bridge do you? Wouldn't you want it shooting stuff?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#213 - 2012-12-05 11:19:06 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Teebling wrote:
Please thumbs up this post or sign below as a show of support for removing the game-killing hot drop feature from EvE forever.

http://evenews24.com/2012/11/29/a-letter-to-csm-7-back-to-the-gates/#idc-cover

Signed.


Awww, where did the big bad fleet touch you? Hotdrops are just about the only fun available in nullsec. Hey I know, cyno-jam your system if you're afraid of hot drops. Or take it as a given that sometimes when you go in and blob that 10 man gang with your 40 man fleet, once in a while someone will light a cyno and you'll be blobbed by a 200 man fleet. Welcome to nullsec.


This.

And if you are then blobbed, have a bigger blob to escalate it with.

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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#214 - 2012-12-05 12:05:46 UTC
Yeah , if they want a hotdrop do it with blackops.
Anthar Thebess
#215 - 2012-12-05 12:39:55 UTC
OK, be honest.
Why so many people want to nerf the JB and titans?
Reason is quite simple.
CCP (unintentionally) allowed one force to have tons of free isk.
Yes we are talking about technetium - every body knows that.
This leaded to creation of super capital swarms - also something that CCP didn't anticipated ( as titans will be so expensive that there will be only few in game - true ... i did see more in one "fight" than ccp wanted to be in a whole game)

Current situation is bad for EVE and it is gettng worst every day. Why?
We reached situation where one force - yes HBC + PL , be honest about this - have so big super capital numbers on their side that there is no more talking about any resonable fight - as long as HBC have so much of passive income, and ability to relocate their forces in the matter of minutes, all other SOV oriented alliancess will slowly decay.

We have reached the point where no one is willing to put equal forces on the field, as before first supercaps will begin to die - enemy will have their reinforcements from the far north - and what the most important thing, eaven if he loose this battle, loose super capitals , capitals, and sub capitals ... he will have more isk to make new ones much , much , much faster than you.

Why CCP is sitting and doing nothing? Well, whatever they do it will hit ther income. Nerf titans - well BIG HBC depends on it, nerf moons - well BIG HBC depends on it.

Right now HBC and PL is putting all , noob alliances around its borders, that are still expanding.
I dont think there where so many "nullsec blue" in whole history of eve, or so many null capital pilots putting LSE and 1600 plates on their carriers.

What have to be done? Well we can write about this a million posts ... but the question is to CCP will they do something, and what "d"effects this will have.
Are supers and JB only issue?
For me - no.
SlowCats - this will be main HBC force if CCP will try to do something.
Good or bad thing? For me unbalanced, when you have 70 on your head - but i guess ccp didn't expected this to happen.


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JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#216 - 2012-12-05 13:22:25 UTC
Entire cyno mechanics needs re-work.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#217 - 2012-12-05 14:09:03 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
OK, be honest.
Why so many people want to nerf the JB and titans?
Reason is quite simple.
CCP (unintentionally) allowed one force to have tons of free isk.
Yes we are talking about technetium - every body knows that.
This leaded to creation of super capital swarms - also something that CCP didn't anticipated ( as titans will be so expensive that there will be only few in game - true ... i did see more in one "fight" than ccp wanted to be in a whole game)

Current situation is bad for EVE and it is gettng worst every day. Why?
We reached situation where one force - yes HBC + PL , be honest about this - have so big super capital numbers on their side that there is no more talking about any resonable fight - as long as HBC have so much of passive income, and ability to relocate their forces in the matter of minutes, all other SOV oriented alliancess will slowly decay.

We have reached the point where no one is willing to put equal forces on the field, as before first supercaps will begin to die - enemy will have their reinforcements from the far north - and what the most important thing, eaven if he loose this battle, loose super capitals , capitals, and sub capitals ... he will have more isk to make new ones much , much , much faster than you.

Why CCP is sitting and doing nothing? Well, whatever they do it will hit ther income. Nerf titans - well BIG HBC depends on it, nerf moons - well BIG HBC depends on it.

Right now HBC and PL is putting all , noob alliances around its borders, that are still expanding.
I dont think there where so many "nullsec blue" in whole history of eve, or so many null capital pilots putting LSE and 1600 plates on their carriers.

What have to be done? Well we can write about this a million posts ... but the question is to CCP will they do something, and what "d"effects this will have.
Are supers and JB only issue?
For me - no.
SlowCats - this will be main HBC force if CCP will try to do something.
Good or bad thing? For me unbalanced, when you have 70 on your head - but i guess ccp didn't expected this to happen.




+1
Akelorian
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#218 - 2012-12-05 17:36:53 UTC
Konrad Kane wrote:
Akelorian wrote:
Are you kidding me? You nerf the hell out of titans already and now you want to remove the final role of a titan? Seriously people have a box of tissues and go live in empire. you've already effectively made this ship useless, seriously ffs grow up.

~bitter titan pilot~


I just have to say this, I'd be far more annoyed if I were a Titan pilot that its only role seems to be acting as a dad's taxi to a drake horde than people suggesting that bridging was removed and the Titan given a proper job.

I'm sure you don't enjoy flying a mobile jump bridge do you? Wouldn't you want it shooting stuff?


I used to shoot things with my titans until they nerfed Titans not once, but twice then I emorage quit eve for the past 8 months, I come back and look people are emoraging about titans again and this time its the Jump Bridge? Seriously people need to stfu and leave Titans Alone! Give them a proper role than being a sov grinding/star gate.

You want to nerf something, nerf tracking dreads, enough said.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#219 - 2012-12-05 20:54:46 UTC
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#220 - 2012-12-05 23:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: AstraPardus
Ok, well...I'm going to put my two ISK in on this one.

Some say that nullsec is 'broken' and that some of the mechanics attached to certain ships, in this case, Titans, are also broken and are unbalanced.

That very well may be so.

HOWEVER, I have played other games that are designed to be broken and they work very well. Why is this, you ask? Because broken rule sets are good for player creativity and emergent gameplay. These unbalanced mechanics are not magic win buttons, they are overwhelming advantages. And I don't know if we all live on the same planet Earth, outside of EVE, but such overwhelming advantages exist in reality. Nothing is fair, life is not fair, EVE is not fair.

Cue tears? NO!!!

Get creative, find some other mechanic that you can use to counter the advantage. I'm sure they exist, I can think of a few, but I'm not going to hold your hands and tell what I believe will work, because that will take away my advantage, as a creative player. Many of us, here, have been playing EVE for some time. I have seen a great deal of keen insight and creative applications of tactics, so use the mentality that spawned those ideas that worked and come up with something new, becasue it looks to me that far too many of you are willing to throw your hands up and say, "But those supercaps are just so BIG and invincible, how could we make them less so, that we may all win forever and ever?! CCP, deliver us from those who have more than us!! Meow, meow, meow!!"

Get creative, I know you can do it. Smaller entities come up with interesting ways to defeat larger entities all the time because they are willing to think outside the box. CCP has granted us a realm in which we can use what is given to us to do as we will, let us celebrate that and continue to come up with ever more creative applications of the most curious fits. You never know what crazy idea could work if implimented unless you are willing to try, no matter the cost.
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