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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#161 - 2012-11-30 15:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Corp Spies: AARRGGGHHH!!!! My name and history sucks!!! Change it, change it, change it...

Eve community: NO!!! *with one foot held on spies' chest*

Me: Actually, your history can be changed if you know the right people irl. This whole "you can not change your history" mentallity is complete BS and unrealistic. If this game is truly a sandbox with limitless possiblity, then name and history changes are and should be completely possible. Granted, diifficult it should be but still doable.

BTW, do you really know someones history? Even if they tell you, should you still trust them.

This boils down to players actually learning how to communicate and how to read people effectively and not just going by a list of previous assignments. Employers take this risk everyday when they review and interview potential hires. It introduces a whole new level of gameplay.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-11-30 16:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



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It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again
. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.


Under that logic local intel should be gone tomorrow. Is selling/buying skill points the next once taboo & and now openly debated topic of discussion?

Do you have a spare CCP rep to give safe harbor to the PVP on/off switch mentality?

What about a character bazaar toon reset? You know, buy the toon and magically wipe his name and corp history along with having its skills dumped into a spend as you see fit pool. You could sell it for cash and get millions of new customerz.
Mariadar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2012-11-30 18:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mariadar
I would also welcome the option to change name.

If it was technically possible, we could have a history of previous aliases / names and their employment history (using simple drop-down boxes perhaps?).

For example:
Name 1 - corp1, corp2, corp3
Name2 - corp3, corp4

I think this might be handy for the characters that get sold as you would almost start a clean slate, but if the name had a bad reputation they could still check it and check with the respective corps.

I think we all agree on having some sort of name history and using the above mentioned method might also help with the previous corp employments. But instead of wiping the history it would rather sort it. Essentially history and reputation is tied to the name and not the character.
Verushka Atreides
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2012-11-30 18:36:20 UTC
I totally disagree with allowing name changes, corp wipes, or anything that impacts the legacy of the char (including, contract histories etc). You are buying/selling the character, not parts of the character. everything is included, good and bad.

If you named your Char l333t pewpew0mgawd then you are the dumb ass who did so. Own up to it Mr pewpew0mgawd.

Changing name before selling it to increase it's attractiveness / value / attempt to hide should not be allowed. As for buyers who want the char but not the name, tough luck, packaged deal roll your own with the name you want then. You are stuck with the name it has just like you are stuck with the SP in things you don't want.

On that note, I think CCP needs to look into releasing names, particularly trial accounts that have been inactive for 6+ months. I doubt very much that people who have rolled a trial, played for 2 days, and never logged in again are ever coming back to that account.

I suppose you could refrain from deleting them, as there are already are processes to name chars yyyyCitizenxxxx arn't there? In those circumstances upon their return selecting a new name would be reasonable. In that case you would be looking at chars that have had no chance to make a significant history, have no significant sp, value etc.





Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#165 - 2012-11-30 20:13:49 UTC
Ok, I've been reading both sides of this issue and I understand where some of you are coming from. But, I also see that most of it is from a moral stand point, including you CCP Falcon.

I also understand that CCP wants to keep their hands out of the actual player interactions as much as possible.

Here is an idea that I purpose.

How about there is a skill tree that allows for characters to change other characters names and manipulate their personal history. (Notice I said manipulate, I'll come back to that.) Now, the characters who train these skills still can not change their own name or personal history. There could be other restriction based on security status and what not. (haven't really thought about that side of it yet).

Back to the manipulation of player history. Depending on the character's skill level will determine how far back they can manipulate the other character's history. There could also be an invisible tag that is left behind on the altered character to show that it has been manipulated. Yes, invisible.

On the reverse side, there would be a counter skill under say corp management. Depending on the skill level will determine if and how far back you can see that tag that is usually invisible to the unskilled character. If you don't train this skill, it's your own fault if your corp gets robbed. Remember, consequences of your choices.

What this has the potential to do for EVE:

1. Encourage more player interaction, and not just scams.
2. Creates another player based service.
3. Creates another means for the velocity of isk (transfer of isk from one character to another) to help with the ingame economy and inflation(granted not much on the inflation)
4. I'm sure there are a few others but my brain isn't working right now.

These are just thoughts and ideas. If you can think of anything to add please do so. I'm only looking for constructive criticism and one line comments will be ignored unless it does make a quick valid point. I will admit this is a rough outline and probably has a few holes in it but I'm sure we can figure something out that can please both sides of this argument.

The very essence of this topic is EVE. There are no rules or regulations against this kind of thing because it is an anything goes kind of game (new player harassment aside). To me it would NOT make sense to leave this aspect of the game out of EVE.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#166 - 2012-11-30 20:27:24 UTC
No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-12-01 00:23:11 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it.


Chech. Preach on Passtah.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#168 - 2012-12-01 04:51:45 UTC
Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal" P

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#169 - 2012-12-01 05:34:08 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal" P


... oh boy New York stupidity now in this thread.

Now with 100% less Troll.

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-12-01 06:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
I guess you have to ask what a person is purchasing when they buy a Character.

You should really just be purchasing it for the Skill Points and NPC standings.
Let be honest any reputation good or bad was done by another person.
That person is no longer in control and as such that rep is now null in void.

I think You should be forced to change the name.
All corp History should be wiped, except the creation date.
And a line inserted stating the date of purchase.
And if it is sold again another line inserting when it was sold.

But this should only happen when you buy a character, this should not be an option for someone who just wants to clear their record.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-12-03 19:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tom Gerard wrote:
The problem:

Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.

Solution:

Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.

$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.


The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!


NO


Look better on the bazaar...Plenty of characters for sale without a ruined reputation...Then again, they might not be as cheap you want them to be.

Your idea jsut makes people with money have more ability then people without money. AKA pay2win feature is back....Guys assemble in Jita on the monument...

EDIT:

Also, if you buy some character from the forums, you can always use the same thread in the future to proof you have bought that character.

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Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#172 - 2012-12-03 20:21:46 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
I believe you've forgot to wear your monocle.

P.S. PLEX could / should be sufficient for name change service.


Monocle you say!? Pirate
Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-12-03 20:26:41 UTC
I would be a fan of having characters bought/sold on the Bazaar having their corp history wiped. It is going to a new owner, so the history is effectively null before the point of sale.

DoB at char creation date.
Redacted history from creation date to sale/xfer date.
Normal corp history with starter corp being on date of x-fer completion.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#174 - 2012-12-03 21:32:54 UTC
I say release the ability to change names and history but don't tell anyone that it has been released. Let's see how long it takes for people to catch on.

I know it's technically illegal to not tell us but it could be obscure wording in patch notes.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _

Talos Kemak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2012-12-03 22:06:24 UTC
I haven't read others ideas but here's my opinion and solution:
I think that name change and corp history should be allowed to be erased, but at the same time an option of history search should be added to a locator/ public relationships agent for 'x' amount of isk. This way corp history is not really erased but hidden very well, and for the right amount of isk it can be revealed to you after let's say 3 days.
Also I believe that time stamp from your corp history should be completely erased... I think it silly to show someone's age in this game simply because it ruins things for new players as it marks them as a fresh target and in the same time It harms old players because new players are so freakishly afraid of anyone who is older than 6 month.

Wrote this from my phone,my apologies for any grammatical mistakes.
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#176 - 2012-12-03 22:17:03 UTC
I would give any sum of money to change my name. I'd even eat hakarl.
Scavy Proximus
Liberty Storm
#177 - 2012-12-03 22:34:35 UTC
I'm all against name changes and clearing of history, this is EVE, one of the most ruthless and savage games in existence..

If you buy a character then you buy it with it's name and history, and if the character has a history as a corp thief or what is worse, then it should be that much cheaper to buy.
snakebreath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#178 - 2012-12-04 09:55:25 UTC
Grog Barrel wrote:
A world without repercussions? Sounds ****** to be honest.





Why the hell not, can change your name in rl too....
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#179 - 2012-12-04 10:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Please do it....

I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...


Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.

Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history.

EDIT:

Usually say in New Citizen part of forum that stupid ideas and questions don't exist.

You have just showed how wrong I was.

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infra52x
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-12-04 10:14:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Please do it....

I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...


Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.

Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history.

EDIT:

Usually say in New Citizen part of forum that stupid ideas and questions don't exist.

You have just showed how wrong I was.



Your right, it could never work out....If it could than other MMOs probably would have already adopted it.....Oh wait......


BTW, I just ran into a guy at work today that had the same name as me, John Brown.....