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Victory Vinco
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-03 15:30:12 UTC
Is it still possible to run L4 in Drakes? Will it be possible after the patch?

If so can someone link me to a fit that this is done in?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-03 15:46:29 UTC
oh come on now. fitting a drake is about as difficult as preparing a microwave pizza. your damage goes down a little, your range goes down a little. people fly lvl4s in assault frigs you know?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Victory Vinco
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-03 15:59:18 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
oh come on now. fitting a drake is about as difficult as preparing a microwave pizza. your damage goes down a little, your range goes down a little. people fly lvl4s in assault frigs you know?

Fair enough, but I don't normally PvE so you're asking a hermit to microwave pizza so why not indulge me?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-12-03 16:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
use the power of two:
2x BCU
2x shield power relay
2x hardeners
2x large shield extenders
2x shield rechargers

core defense purgers s in the rigs, launchers in the highs (d'uuuuh)

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#5 - 2012-12-03 16:16:06 UTC
Daniel, quit your trolling.

Yes, it is possible to run an L4 in a properly fit Drake. Your tank and especially your damage dealing will suffer compared to, say, a Raven, but you can still survive through some Level 4's. I don't have experience with the Drake myself, but the fit shown at http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/1890-Solo-Level-4-Passive-Tank-Drake.html looks pretty decent.

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Victory Vinco
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-03 16:23:04 UTC
Thank you gents
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-03 16:46:50 UTC
Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:
Daniel, quit your trolling.

Yes, it is possible to run an L4 in a properly fit Drake. Your tank and especially your damage dealing will suffer compared to, say, a Raven, but you can still survive through some Level 4's. I don't have experience with the Drake myself, but the fit shown at http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/1890-Solo-Level-4-Passive-Tank-Drake.html looks pretty decent.

op asked for a lvl4 drake fit. i gave him one. how is that trolling?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#8 - 2012-12-03 16:54:24 UTC
Dude, I've seen your posts around the forums. You troll. A lot. Your first post was definitely trolling and your second one still sort of that way. Don't try to pretend you're just trying to help.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-12-03 18:09:22 UTC
You better of running lvl4's in a raven with meta 4 launchers than a drake.. Drake was painfully slow before and after the patch it will probably be just a bad. Just have at least T2 light drones and you will be fine in a raven.
Victory Vinco
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-03 18:13:48 UTC
At that point I rather be flying a dominix/megathron since my gunnery skills are significantly better. Rails are terribad for PvP, are they passable in PvE with say a tracking computer?
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#11 - 2012-12-03 18:48:00 UTC
Rail Domi is fine for missions. You'll just have to keep a closer eye on your drones after tomorrow's patch. As for the OP, leave the Drake for Lv 4s as soon as you can competently fly a Raven, Tengu, etc.

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#12 - 2012-12-03 19:53:48 UTC
Quote:
Rails are terribad for PvP, are they passable in PvE with say a tracking computer?


On the right ships, they work just fine.

(Navy) Dominix, Vindicator and (I'm guessing) Kronos are good, Rokh, (Navy) Mega and Hyperion are rather meh.

Note that on the Dominix, the rails aren't the primary damage dealer, the Sentries are.
Daniel Plain wrote:
use the power of two:
2x BCU
2x shield power relay
2x hardeners
2x large shield extenders
2x shield rechargers

CCCs in the rigs, launchers in the highs (d'uuuuh)

CCCs? I do believe you mean purgers.
Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
#13 - 2012-12-03 20:43:45 UTC
Their tank isn't being changed much, if at all, only their damage is being adjusted. Why would it matter if your tank sustained the damage of a L4 before? yes you will complete it a little slower then before...but if you could tank it with a purger drake before, why would it make much difference? People are overreacting.

Dear lord, please help me deal with the insufferable....
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#14 - 2012-12-03 21:18:24 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
oh come on now. fitting a drake is about as difficult as preparing a microwave pizza.


How am I supposed to tell if the pizza is done if the package is still on fire?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-03 21:34:10 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
use the power of two:
2x BCU
2x shield power relay
2x hardeners
2x large shield extenders
2x shield rechargers

CCCs in the rigs, launchers in the highs (d'uuuuh)

Why would you need CCC in the rigs? You have no active mods, why would you need CCC rigs to recharge your cap?

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-04 01:17:00 UTC
sorry brain fart; of course i meant purgers. corrected in my op.

as for the trolling part, see my sig.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Mund Richard
#17 - 2012-12-04 14:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:
Dude, I've seen your posts around the forums. You troll. A lot. Your first post was definitely trolling and your second one still sort of that way. Don't try to pretend you're just trying to help.

His first post may not have been the nicest, but it was pretty much in line with what I would have said if the OP had no reply till I came around, and what he said was true: prolly any mission a passive drake could do before, can be done just as much.

But to give a more constructive feedback...
Running a L4 in a drake:
Why?

If you don't have the skills for a ship that does L4s faster, do L3s in a ship that does more dps, in return you need to tank less (or fit more BCU on your drake if you have a fetish for it), and still get possibly better isk/h.
If you do have the skills for a ship that does L4s faster than the Drake... What are we talking about then?


Can you run a L4 in a Drake?
Yes
Can you run a L4 in a Drake profitable?
A bit worse than before.
And it was quite bad before compared to other ships used to run them.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Auhe
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-12-04 23:15:50 UTC
Yes it is possible.

MWD Drake, cap stable

H: 7x Heavy Missile Launchers II
M:1x LSE II, 1x meta4 LSE, 2x Invul.Field II, 1x EM Ward Amplifier for omni tank (or any other passive t2), MWD
L: DCII, 2x BC II, Capacitor Power Relay II
Rigs: 2x CCC, 1x Medium Shield Extender/Purger (i prefer extender)

With near perfect skills , you'll get:
about 480 dps (with T2 Kinetik HMs and Hobgoblins II), 2700 alpha
168 dps/sec omni tank
1038m/sec - cap stable 40% with mwd on

Tactics is simple:
speed tank scrambling/webbing NPC frigs, speed tank or kite large NPC guns, tank NPC MIssiles.
Set appropriate orbit around any celestial or your own cont and shoot.

You also need good capacitor skills and good fitting skills for both cpu and power grid, i.e. AWU@5 is a must, or use implants.
Mund Richard
#19 - 2012-12-04 23:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Auhe wrote:
You also need good capacitor skills and good fitting skills for both cpu and power grid, i.e. AWU@5 is a must, or use implants.

Not to nitpick, but one question:
At this point, why fly a drake?

(Although I imagine with double F-S9 and Arbalests, it's a lot easier on the powergrid and skill needs, at a loss of dps.)

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#20 - 2012-12-05 11:11:41 UTC
As much as I hate to say it, evacuating from a drake in the next month or so (before the BC rebalance) would be a very good idea since all tech 1 battlecruisers are getting normalised to 17 fitting slots total +3 rigs wich means the drake will loose a slot somewhere making it even worse at L4's. If you liked a passive drake you're not going to like a raven but I'd suggest a navy scorpion or rattlesnake as something along the same style.