Market Discussions

Can someone please explain how the Eve Economy is still functional. Because as it seems to me. There is some sort of Global-Geo-National Government math system at work here that makes no sense to me.

Now in all fairness. I am a industrial mined player. Going out with the intent of only shooting holes in things is not all taht appealing to me. But this is because i use to have this as a career option in the Army. So, it is not such a big deal here.

Okay here we go. I log in start running the basic tutorial missions. Make some ISK, get a coule basic ships to get going with. I spend the next several months mining in the area. This provides the cash flow in order to obtain additional skill books for the various taksings that will be comming up in the future. This also covers the upgrading of equipment, and ships. Als the eventual purchacing of a couple of BPO's.

My intent is to stake my claim in the manufacturing market place by producing AMMO. After all ammo is something that can be used by just about everyone.

Now I have done my researh about BPO's i know that I need to research them to make them better than when they cam off the digital printing press. So this is done via the local station over time. Why the local station. Well taht is because, at this point I have applied to several player corperations. However, membership has been denied. Either I did not have a desired skill point ammount, or did not have access to or own certian ships at the time of application. Which i thought was kind of lame... but whatever.

So now I have my reserched heavy Scourge Missile BPO. I queue up the print for a max run of 1500 at 100 per run. I wait out the time required for the slot to become available and then for the print to run its course. This is going to give me 150,000 missiles. This is going to be good!! I will actually start seeing a positive return on my time and ISK investment here. Yah not so much...

In my area;
the BEST 'BUY' price on the Scourge Heavy missiles = 53.19
the BEST 'SELL' price on the Scourge Heavy missiles = 60.00
So, I can sell my 150000 Scourge heavy missiles for 7,978,500.00 ISK
Or, I can place them on the market for 60.00 and hope to not get undercut and have them just sit there till the time expires. Which is what normally happens.

However, IF I had simply taken the refined resources to the market....

• Nocxium - 3,000 @ 785.00 = 2,355,000.00 ISK
Tritanium - 1,218,000 @ 6.04 = 7,356,720.00 ISK
TOTAL --------------------------
9,711,720.00 ISK

So by selling the raw material on the market. I make 1,733,220.00 ISK more than by making the Scourge heavy missiles and selling them.
Now I am taking into consideration that I have acces to ALL of the resources. I have not had to aquire anything else from the market. Because this would throw the whole thing even further out of balance. to the point of insted of making the production of the item a loss of ISK.

Now this is not an isolated incident. Ther are many many items that are like this. Actually almost all of the items I have looked into make are like this.
So I guess the question is this really. Why make anything at all? Or why has this not been fixed some how. because the average / occasional player that like 'building things' can not compete with this sort of thing.
Alright, now I understand the whole concept of Low Sec, Null Sec and WH space. But this should not have that major of an effect on the game over all.
It just seems to me like the game market is upside down, and promotes no real reason to make anything in the game unless it is for yourself, and out of personal enjoyment or sense of achievement.

People who are manufacturing for profit also have nearly perfect Skills , so its hard to compete with them as a new player when : from xx res they make profit and you from the same stuff have a loss .
There is money to be made but it requires lots of time and research , and many ppl mine theyre own stuff and build theyre own stuff usually thinking they make a "ok" profit when theyre actually loosing , and because there are so many such ppl its hard to compete with them .

With heavy missiles, find a good mission hub with level 2-3 missions, where most people fly around in drakes.
they will buy the ammo, often at a higher cost, because they don't want to travel to get it.

You can research how many of each item is sold, buy going into the advance tab, and clicking the "Show tables".


As someone already said, ammo is what everyone starts off with, so there will be a high supply of it, so you need to find an advantage over all the other new manufacturer.

Time is money.

Or to be honest: People are lazy. you can make money from that.

I currently make upto 600% on skillbooks, people can go 7 jumps to get... these are of cause the lower end books, and the NPC books are in another region, so doesn't show on market. :)

Researching the market is something you absolutely need to do, when you want to turn a profit.

There's nothing wrong with making a 10% margin while manufacturing. In fact, it's pretty good. There are lot of successful t1 industrialists out there making 4 - 8% per cylce.

If you want to get rich from manufacturing, there's a very simple thing you have to keep in mind: scale.

7% of 9M isk isn't much to write home about. On the other hand, imagine making 7% on 20B worth of mins every week? Of course, you can't build that kind of capital overnight. But once you get there, it's pretty easy to just buy and sell everything you need in Jita, while having Red Frog haul everything for you. Low time investment for good returns.

Well, the minerals I dealt with worked. See this chart for one of them.

To start with I was no expecting this many people to have good things to say about my posting. I initianlly thought after the posting that it was going to go badly.
Perhaps I am just not all that suited for a Large scale industrial game plan. I will continue to make the thngs that I need for myself tho, and fellow Corp members.
~ Vaerah as you pointed out, reactive production is not going to win over proactive production. Learning how to see infront of the curve accurately is going to take some time.

~Ruvin you have a point here as well. Because when taking into consideration the 'total' cost of producuing something will just about always come out to a loss, at least initially. Once the 'start up" costs are figured in.

~Steve thanks for the link but I am running on max productivity skills and a max print. I have been using a different BPO calulator, but it dose verify that my calculations were correct. Although, I can see where if i were not that would be yet another factor.

~miss eve2006 a market angle like this is actually something I did not fully think about. I will have to try looking into this further.

~Whang'Lo... I am or was not "trolling". I was asking a question. Further more, I did not, nor have not assumed anything. I used the information that was on the screene in front of me. Lastly as I stated, I do not have access to Low Sec, or Null Sec, or a Corp that is a member of a massive alliance. Or a Corp that has the numbers to take and hold a portion of Low Sec or Null Sec on its own. So I see the vast majoity of what your posted as 'invalid', sorry. However, keeping the marketing angle in mind will be useful.

~Ave I see where your comming from. However with the time I have available, not to mention the funding, I can not see this being viable for me. Thank you for the idea tho. Perhaps some time in the future.

~Zelda I am not real sure what your intent was with this.

Again I want to thank you all for responding. While I am still a bit up in the air (or floating in 0-G) on the idea of how much to manufacture. I do have some new ways to look at the over all issue.

May i point you to my blog? It's still work in progress, but i like to think that a new manufacturer can already gain a few insights from the posts i made there. Link is in my sig.

She was saying that market is driven (also) by supply and demand.

In a game where producing has basically no cost and where so many like to build "for building's sake", it's easy to overload the markets and make their prices tank.