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Will the new changes get rid of the cloaked bombers level 4 FW mission runners?
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Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-01 02:18:13 UTC
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2012-12-01 02:21:51 UTC
Since there was absolutely no changes to level 4 FW missions?
I'll let you decide.

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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#3 - 2012-12-01 02:23:30 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Since there was absolutely no changes to level 4 FW missions?
I'll let you decide.


Holy cow that's some deep stuff.

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-01 03:23:04 UTC
why would we do less l4 in bombers gunny? if anything this patch is a boost. i now get a 25% reduction in my torp radius from GMP SKILL now working with torps. come join me next time. ill show you the way of 100-150m an hr profits!
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#5 - 2012-12-01 08:41:24 UTC
Considering that you needed to be uncloaked to complete the mission, this patch will have no effect on cloaked bombers.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-12-03 02:40:30 UTC
Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?

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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#7 - 2012-12-03 03:32:46 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?


By uncloaking.

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Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-03 03:49:30 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?


By orbiting like a F1 car and shooting like a tank.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-03 09:47:31 UTC
its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.

Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.

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Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-03 09:56:31 UTC
Gunship wrote:
its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.

Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.


Stop sitting on that gate and expecting other people to change their gameplay to make your sitting in the one spot more fun.
Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-03 10:29:23 UTC
Gunship wrote:
its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.

Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.
Bombers can also solo rat in Null-sec, so what?
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#12 - 2012-12-03 10:42:54 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?


FW missions are all:

1. destory the structure X
2. destroy the industial ships
3. kill the commander (BC/BS size)

So SB suite well for this. And can stay in long range and outspeed most of the damage and NPC frigates.
Also is perfect for traveling in deep hostile territory and in case can move cloacked inside the plex till in good range.

And, yes, then have to uncloack :)
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#13 - 2012-12-03 10:55:49 UTC
Gunship wrote:
its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.

Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.


The only chance is to to wait in the system and as soon as a mission beacon show to wrp to it and trying to catch the SB on the warp-in.

Then it becomes impossible. If you manage to move away and eventually be on the opposite side of the warp-in, so even if anyone enter the SB will be at 100-150 km

Or maybe trying toenter unseen with another cloacky ship. I fitted an experimental buzzard for this but then I got bored to wait for misison runenrs so not sure if it works fine :)
Matthias Vilmet
Covarium
Minmatar Fleet Associates
#14 - 2012-12-03 15:01:01 UTC

There is a ton of time/skill investment that goes into flying stealth bombers and it's a specific niche. Also, they really have no way to fight back against frigates and relatively easy to kill.

All I here is a whiny, psychopath that wants mission fit ships to fly across his pvp fit nose so that things are nice and easy. The damned missions already show up for all to see. Why don't you create a cloaky tackle and go fishing.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#15 - 2012-12-03 15:38:25 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?


FW missions are all:

1. destory the structure X
2. destroy the industial ships
3. kill the commander (BC/BS size)

So SB suite well for this. And can stay in long range and outspeed most of the damage and NPC frigates.
Also is perfect for traveling in deep hostile territory and in case can move cloacked inside the plex till in good range.

And, yes, then have to uncloack :)




It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can. I never ran them for caldari or gallente so I don't know.

I think this imbalance escaped notice because the best way to farm used to be plexes. But now with the timer rollbacks and having to kill all the npcs the missions will be the best pve lp per hour in eve.

At least they don't effect occupancy. If it did the minmatar would have all the systems.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#16 - 2012-12-03 16:23:10 UTC
Does anyone even do missions anymore? I can't recall seeing but one mission plex since the emergency patch. Minmatar are rich, fat and happy. Amarr don't want to go to Metro through one gate to run them.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#17 - 2012-12-03 16:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Reppyk
Manticore with rockets/small guns + disru + lokiboost = farming FW bears all day.

I had great success with a keres too, because dumb bears are thinking they are safe when they are 60km from the opponent. Pirate

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#18 - 2012-12-04 02:58:54 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Manticore with rockets/small guns + disru + lokiboost = farming FW bears all day.

I had great success with a keres too, because dumb bears are thinking they are safe when they are 60km from the opponent. Pirate

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#19 - 2012-12-04 09:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Well, manticore + loki offgrid booster to kill single missioning frigates already under level 4 NPC full aggro... :)
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2012-12-04 14:39:56 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Does anyone even do missions anymore? I can't recall seeing but one mission plex since the emergency patch. Minmatar are rich, fat and happy. Amarr don't want to go to Metro through one gate to run them.



I see allot of purifiers and nemesis around. Plus I see allot of minmatar missions open.

Amarr no longer run missions because, amarr missions pay much less, they can't be done solo in a sb, and we are locked out of several of our better agents. (better = closer to your mission destination)

Going through the gate in eszur isn't really the problem.

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